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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
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On 8/14/2024 9:44 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 8/14/2024 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>>>> plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>>>> juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>>>> and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>>>>
>>>>> Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>>>>
>>>> What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>>>> cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
>>
>> As noted below, I explicitly included 4liter/1gallon milk jugs.
>>
>>>> get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>>>> or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>>>> plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>>>> getting used again <grin>
> 
> Congratulations. Your jugs join the 9% of plastic that gets recycled
> in America.
> 
> 91% goes to the landfill or incinerator.
> 
> [...]
>>>
>>> There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
>>> cases.
>>
>> The primary reason is shipping weight.
> 
> I'd challenge that: The primary reason is money.
> 
> Yes, lower shipping weight saves money, but I expect
> much larger is the savings from not having to maintain
> a recycling chain to recover, wash, and reuse bottles
> strong enough to sustain multiple uses (you may remember
> what old school Coke bottles were like).
> 
> I've seen one gallon glass milk jugs, but they're heavy
> enough to need included handles. More often I've seen
> milk delivery using pint bottles - multiple if the family
> requests it.
> 
>>> Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
>>> shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
>>> paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
>>> exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
>>
>> The Trader Joes produce bags are biodegradable.
> 
> Single use plastic shopping bags are an interesting case of
> tradeoffs. Banning them absolutely cuts down on unsightly
> trash blowing around, but I've read that the 'resusable' bags
> sold to replace them are so much heavier that they need to
> be used hundreds of times before they pay off the extra
> plastic used.
> 
I use cloth bags....

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