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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
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On 8/14/2024 9:13 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 8/14/2024 9:44 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On 8/14/2024 12:12 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>>>>> plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>>>>> juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>>>>> and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>>>>> cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
>>>
>>> As noted below, I explicitly included 4liter/1gallon milk jugs.
>>>
>>>>> get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>>>>> or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>>>>> plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>>>>> getting used again <grin>
>>
>> Congratulations. Your jugs join the 9% of plastic that gets recycled
>> in America.
>>
>> 91% goes to the landfill or incinerator.
>>
>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
>>>> cases.
>>>
>>> The primary reason is shipping weight.
>>
>> I'd challenge that: The primary reason is money.
>>
>> Yes, lower shipping weight saves money, but I expect
>> much larger is the savings from not having to maintain
>> a recycling chain to recover, wash, and reuse bottles
>> strong enough to sustain multiple uses (you may remember
>> what old school Coke bottles were like).
>>
>> I've seen one gallon glass milk jugs, but they're heavy
>> enough to need included handles. More often I've seen
>> milk delivery using pint bottles - multiple if the family
>> requests it.
>>
>>>> Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
>>>> shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
>>>> paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
>>>> exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.
>>>
>>> The Trader Joes produce bags are biodegradable.
>>
>> Single use plastic shopping bags are an interesting case of
>> tradeoffs. Banning them absolutely cuts down on unsightly
>> trash blowing around, but I've read that the 'resusable' bags
>> sold to replace them are so much heavier that they need to
>> be used hundreds of times before they pay off the extra
>> plastic used.
>>
> I use cloth bags....

What cloth? Is it a natural fiber? Or is it polyester/dacron, etc?

If its a plastic fiber, you've done little or nothing to reduce
plastic waste. How many single-use bags are required to equal the
weight of your reusable?

pt