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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bart <bc@freeuk.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Pronunciation of tuple Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:35:56 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 70 Message-ID: <v9lhqb$11un6$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9la7n$10qjj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fcb44464f1714e8680386692a2a2f20c"; logging-data="1112806"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19vEPODuPHPRUJPdaz2lbJj" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZofBxA3+OXuKulHuJQx8CmgCnvQ= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <v9la7n$10qjj$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2877 On 15/08/2024 17:26, James Harris wrote: > The term "tuple" appears a fair bit in programming but its pronunciation > is a source of some controversy. > > > How do you pronounce "tuple"? I don't think I've ever had to say it out loud! Working in isolation for some many years, there are probably lots of terms and names that I don't know the pronounciation of. Sometimes a youtube lecture is the first time I hear a technical term spoken aloud. (However, I prefer to say 'giga' as though it starts with 'j', even though most say it the other way.) > > Like me, are you irritated when people pronounce it 'the wrong way'? > > How can fellow programmers be persuaded to pronounce it 'properly'? > > > Correct (IMO) is tu'ple with the first syllable ending in a long u. > That sounds about right and how I'd guess it should be said. But I typed it into Google Translate, told it to say it, and its pronounciation was 'tupple'. > Wrong (IMO) is tup'le with the u being short. > > As evidence of where a short and long u are similarly used in English: > > super - su'per - long u > supper - supp'er - short u > > Also, supple - short u due to the double p. > > The other reason is where I believe tuple comes from. Consider groups of > increasing numbers of items: > > 0 - void > 1 - single > 2 - pair > 3 - triple > 4 - quadruple > 5 - quintuple > 6 - sextuple > 7 - septuple > 8 - octuple > > etc, where the higher numbers end in "tuple". > > leading to > > n - n-tuple > > I would say that the latter ones of those above, 4 to 8, are pronounced > with a long u which is, therefore, why there should be a long u in tuple. > > Perhaps people who pronounce it tupple grew up reading comics about > supperman. ;-) 'quintuplet' sounds correct with a short 'u' and weird with a long 'u'.