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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: When was the observer effect (physics) first observed? Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:02:22 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 52 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v9lmse$12qg0$1@dont-email.me> References: <ccfsbjpndpneap4183ubl73p5ubtg3mr5r@4ax.com> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="28974"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:RIjKE89TAD6NDIQxOOgJSXwurRs= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 334CF229782; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:01:47 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFEF229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:01:45 -0400 (EDT) id AC3705DC7D; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 892A65DC78 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 526535F859 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/526535F859; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id D22CFDC01A9; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:02:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:02:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18FnmEKe47jiCGGwZEderrbJACcCPZH8G4= In-Reply-To: <ccfsbjpndpneap4183ubl73p5ubtg3mr5r@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4769 Martin Harran wrote: > It seems to have been first formally stated by Heisenberg in 1958 his > book "The Physicist's Conception of Nature" but I would have thought > that it would have been noted earlier than that. Unrelated, or only tangentially related (and I didn't even bother, just Googled the correct spelling of "tangentially"), this whole thing is 100% consistent with the Multiverse... especially when taken in the context of "The Copenhagen Interpretation." In *That* case, the Copenhagen Interpretation, the wave function is misapplied, say, to the photon. It should be applied to the observer. Simply (or confusingly) put: The photon exists everywhere it CAN potentially exist, and then when you observe/measure it you lock YOU into whatever version of the universe where that photon exists in THAT particular point in SpaceTime. I tells ya, it's way hip groovy with bells swinging, this Multiverse thing. AND WE KNOW THAT THE MULTIVERSE IS CORRECT, it's the right answer because it has to be. Though Einstein doesn't name it he certainly describes it in his Simultaneity... which supposedly has been scientifically confirmed. WARNING: The Multiverse isn't "Different" universes! There's only one universe and there can only ever be one universe, as far as we're concerned. If you could step outside our ONE universe you wouldn't see others. In fact, even THIS ONE UNIVERSE wouldn't exist! There would be no space for it to occupy, no moment in time for it to exist within... there would literally be nothing at all. So nothing can exist outside of our universe, even if it does. Absurd? Yes. But that hardly makes it unique... THERE ARE NO DIVIDING LINES! Google the whole confusing "Light Cone" nonsense. In a sense, it's your potentiality. Yours is different from mine. They diverge. So your reality -- your version of the universe -- can be and at some level undoubtedly is different from mine. But we can meet and interact, though I can't think of any reason why I might want to. So, long story short: Reality is even more f***ed up than we normally give it credit for. -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5