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From: Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:17:41 -0700
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On 8/15/24 09:03, Paul S Person wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2024 00:21:40 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> 
>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>>> He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
>>>> glass.
>>>>
>>>> Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
>>>> he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.
>>>
>>> Why should I pay for your clumsiness?
>>
>> Returnable glass bottles with a deposit on them don't turn into litter.
>> And if they should turn into litter, kids will collect them to reclaim them.
>>
>> And, in the modern age where gorilla glass is not expensive to make any
>> longer, the issue of breakage should be a non-issue.  (In the past, of
>> course, reusable bottles were made thick enough to be very hard to break,
>> witness returnable coca-cola bottles as an example.  But gorilla glass
>> can make them thinner and cheaper to transport.)
> 
> Try it and see if the market will buy it. Or if plastic is so strongly
> preferred that glass is purchased only if no alternative exists.
> 
>>> The Trader Joes produce bags are biodegradable.
>>
>> The biodegradable plastic bags usually are starch and an unstable
>> vinyl polymer.  The idea is kind of cool, but don't expect to use them
>> for long term storage.  I have kept electronic parts in grocery bags
>> to discover the bags were disintegrating in my cabinets.

	Such bags are not meant for storage of electronic or hard
goods I have ascertained over years of experience and I use the plastic 
vial that my medications come in for small parts or the anti-static bags 
I buy locally or via mail order.  I also long ago when I was more active 
invested in small plastic cabinet to keep screws, nails and hard parts in.


> I was appalled to find that the biodegradable bags that I bought
> (together with a small bin with lots of space in the sides to keep the
> smell down) when the fad first started have long-since degraded in a
> closed box sitting on a shelf which is mostly kept in the dark. When I
> was told to bag my trash, I ended up buying plastic garbage bags
> because I couldn't anything else locally and I don't want to buy 1000
> biodegradable bags and find then unusable aftor only 20 or so have
> been used. Once bitten, twice shy.

	Well my biodegradable bags in the boxes they come in sit on
top of my refrigerators.  I live alone in a Studio Apartment and take
out bags of fruit and vegetable waste several times a week to keep the
insects and odor down.  In San Francisco this stuff goes to a 
Compostable bin.  For other trash I use non-biodegradable bags with odor
suppression and that also carries out the animal food waste produced.
Paper and other recyclable materials go into their own bins.
	I buy the bags i use locally in boxes of about 25 bags.
	Buying a lot of bags is asking for losses.
	Now whether or not the recycling is efficient I do not know
but that is the business of the city contractors picking up and
emptying these bins.

	bliss

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