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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Proof that DDD specifies non-halting behavior --- point by point --- in our head Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:05:23 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v9n4oj$1cobq$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9gv4k$4sc4$1@dont-email.me> <561f876601b0329c0260bac26f8b6dfb6e28647f@i2pn2.org> <v9h5af$9jn6$1@dont-email.me> <aa4bc24ac5642087e81796fffc31e5022bd8823e@i2pn2.org> <v9h9ec$a0id$1@dont-email.me> <190847da05ab48555c036a799e768f555461eb43@i2pn2.org> <v9hbhm$abr9$1@dont-email.me> <28bda6bb7d9efdacadf3de76c85a4857d0f83cb3@i2pn2.org> <v9ibpq$f16v$4@dont-email.me> <be041261e6d47d07a3b29255dc408e6803d870ad@i2pn2.org> <v9jnm0$q0lv$1@dont-email.me> <v9klf4$u594$1@dont-email.me> <v9la7f$113gd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6a07fdd64951d0e7174b4620f03bdd40"; logging-data="1466746"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX190dOmmAN3SndeAmkc4gKak" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:ItceAckqEuNb+bLlS6/qyCQDOjQ= Bytes: 2375 On 2024-08-15 16:26:21 +0000, olcott said: > On 8/15/2024 5:32 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-15 02:03:44 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 8/14/2024 6:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> Note, its "Behavior" is defined as what it would do when run, even if >>>> it never is, >>>> >>> >>> No that is the big mistake of comp theory where it violates >>> its own rules. >> >> The big mistake is yours where you violate the rules of computation >> theory and honest discussion. >> > > It is at least the case that conventional halting > problem proofs violate one of the rules of the theory > of computation. At least the proof by Linz does not violate the rules as specified in Linz' book. Other authors may specify different rules for the theory of computation. Anyway, a vague cliam like that does not really mean anything. If it were about a specific violation of a specific rule then it might be worth of some consideration. -- Mikko