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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:02:20 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v9npls$1fjus$1@dont-email.me> References: <uu54la$3su5b$6@dont-email.me> <20240408075547.000061e8@gmail.com> <g52cnWOOwoz_son7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <uvbe3m$2cun7$1@dont-email.me> <uvbfii$3mom0$1@news.xmission.com> <20240412094809.811@kylheku.com> <87il0mm94y.fsf@tudado.org> <way-20240413091747@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <87il0lldf8.fsf@tudado.org> <choices-20240413123957@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <v9lm2k$12qhv$1@dont-email.me> <v9m4gd$14scu$1@dont-email.me> <20240815182717.189@kylheku.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bce7b4691869b86b4485d1759c5d950a"; logging-data="1560540"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19GRK6w7JTwObG1CeghhGSltjj3X/66XnI=" User-Agent: tin/2.6.3-20231224 ("Banff") (Linux/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:An5qftvSIvr4xDUrEqLO7VdEIf0= Bytes: 2857 In comp.unix.programmer Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote: > On 2024-08-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:48:36 -0000 (UTC), Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >> >>> The last I checked, the O'Reilly Python book is just absolutely >>> *MASSIVE*. The language has a huge number of features now ... >> >> No, it hasn’t. The core language reference spec is only a small fraction >> of, say, the Java language spec. >> >> It’s just that you can do so many things with Python. And that is down to >> the huge variety of off-the-shelf addon libraries that build on that core >> language spec. It has to be a strong, very solidly founded core in order >> to be such a versatile basis for these addons, and it is. > > That's idiotic; you're saying that the standard library packages of > Python are not part of Python, and do not contribute to its size. You seem to have a point. The core of C language is also small. I guess they even said in the original K & R book that C is a small language best described by a small book. But in order to do anything with C, you need to know the standard libraries. They have grown bigger and bigger during all these years. One could also well argue that to program on UNIX, you also need to know all the POSIX libraries. So it is indeed a vague question of what belongs in given programming languages. br, KK