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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: key error in all the proofs --- Correction of Fred Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 10:05:46 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v9npsa$1flup$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <b7c45ea22cb83908c31d909b67f4921156be52e3@i2pn2.org> <v9dgvl$3d1an$1@dont-email.me> <d289636b1d244acaf00108f46df093a9fd5aa27c@i2pn2.org> <v9dk2j$3dp9h$1@dont-email.me> <8318f5969aa3074e542747fe6ba2916d7f599bde@i2pn2.org> <TyKdnc3hCNvmUyf7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9ekta$3necg$1@dont-email.me> <2f8c1b0943d03743fe9894937092bc2832e0a029@i2pn2.org> <v9fn50$3ta4u$2@dont-email.me> <v9hmfc$c71c$1@dont-email.me> <v9ic89$f16v$6@dont-email.me> <06ea0f3a1ff938643b3dfefdf62af15559593733@i2pn2.org> <v9iqgc$go4j$2@dont-email.me> <LcucnRYb5ZiYhyD7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9j6ci$jo32$1@dont-email.me> <v9kdp9$srkm$1@dont-email.me> <v9ku3k$v95g$1@dont-email.me> <v9nbqr$1dmui$1@dont-email.me> <v9nf3o$1dvef$3@dont-email.me> <v9nkhd$1ertd$1@dont-email.me> <v9nmj5$1f34m$1@dont-email.me> <6590517a070695b81751db1b64c3d26019ee9b13@i2pn2.org> <v9nog5$1fe76$1@dont-email.me> <0a080ae812729bc25f3c2dab98bb4d9dfac6641d@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0832828dca420f70d701da47ce3141da"; logging-data="1562585"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19LoDmiwCPwZQF4Jmkgo+oU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:nbFZyWwTRmRzEtUeSlODjLTj1Jk= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <0a080ae812729bc25f3c2dab98bb4d9dfac6641d@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3623 On 8/16/2024 9:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/16/24 10:42 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/16/2024 9:28 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/16/24 10:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 8/16/2024 8:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-08-16 12:02:00 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I must go one step at a time. >>>>> >>>>> That's reasonable in a discussion. The one thing you were discussing >>>>> above is what is the meaning of the output of HHH. Its OK to stay >>>>> at that step until we are sure it is understood. >>>>> >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> Unless an unlimited emulation of DDD by HHH >>>> can reach the "return" instruction of DDD it is >>>> construed that this instance of DDD never halts. >>> >>> But that also construes that HHH is a program that DOES an unlimited >>> emulation of DDD, and thus isn't a decider >>> >> >> Not at all. never has. >> HHH must predict what the behavior of an unlimited >> simulation would be. >> > > Right, unlimited emulation of the EXACT input that HHH got, that is the > DDD that calls the HHH that is the decider > PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer