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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: key error in all the proofs --- Correction of Fred
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 11:12:37 -0500
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On 8/16/2024 11:00 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 8/16/24 11:45 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 8/16/2024 10:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 8/16/24 11:05 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2024 9:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 8/16/24 10:42 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 9:28 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/24 10:09 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 8:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-16 12:02:00 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I must go one step at a time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's reasonable in a discussion. The one thing you were 
>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>> above is what is the meaning of the output of HHH. Its OK to stay
>>>>>>>>> at that step until we are sure it is understood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless an unlimited emulation of DDD by HHH
>>>>>>>> can reach the "return" instruction of DDD it is
>>>>>>>> construed that this instance of DDD never halts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that also construes that HHH is a program that DOES an 
>>>>>>> unlimited emulation of DDD, and thus isn't a decider
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not at all. never has.
>>>>>> HHH must predict what the behavior of an unlimited
>>>>>> simulation would be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, unlimited emulation of the EXACT input that HHH got, that is 
>>>>> the DDD that calls the HHH that is the decider
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE
>>>> PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE
>>>> PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE
>>>> PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE
>>>>
>>>> IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION
>>>> IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION
>>>> IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION
>>>> IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, I guess you aren't working on the Halting Problem, 
>>
>> Halt deciders have always been required to predict what the
>> behavior of their input would be.
>>
> 
> Right, and the input to the Halt Decider HHH is the DDD that calls the 
> Halt Decider HHH, not the DDD that calls the unlimited emulator HHH.
> 

You can't get away with disagreeing with the semantics
of the x86 language.

_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]


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