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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: key error in all the proofs --- Correction of Fred Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:11:30 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <v9o183$1gkn7$2@dont-email.me> References: <v8jh7m$30k55$1@dont-email.me> <d289636b1d244acaf00108f46df093a9fd5aa27c@i2pn2.org> <v9dk2j$3dp9h$1@dont-email.me> <8318f5969aa3074e542747fe6ba2916d7f599bde@i2pn2.org> <TyKdnc3hCNvmUyf7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9ekta$3necg$1@dont-email.me> <2f8c1b0943d03743fe9894937092bc2832e0a029@i2pn2.org> <v9fn50$3ta4u$2@dont-email.me> <v9hmfc$c71c$1@dont-email.me> <v9ic89$f16v$6@dont-email.me> <06ea0f3a1ff938643b3dfefdf62af15559593733@i2pn2.org> <v9iqgc$go4j$2@dont-email.me> <LcucnRYb5ZiYhyD7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9j6ci$jo32$1@dont-email.me> <v9kdp9$srkm$1@dont-email.me> <v9ku3k$v95g$1@dont-email.me> <v9nbqr$1dmui$1@dont-email.me> <v9nf3o$1dvef$3@dont-email.me> <v9nkhd$1ertd$1@dont-email.me> <v9nmj5$1f34m$1@dont-email.me> <6590517a070695b81751db1b64c3d26019ee9b13@i2pn2.org> <v9nog5$1fe76$1@dont-email.me> <34a22fd138e2e1e41a4dd29cd6c9016064e2343c@i2pn2.org> <v9npus$1flup$2@dont-email.me> <e9c7ddb8dc4b4b03399d064d634f11297501e49d@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 19:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0832828dca420f70d701da47ce3141da"; logging-data="1594087"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kR4QAeCmirU3lKkPdtl14" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y1pSYCWKEbYZWPUCjS9Lch//j00= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <e9c7ddb8dc4b4b03399d064d634f11297501e49d@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3421 On 8/16/2024 11:47 AM, joes wrote: > Am Fri, 16 Aug 2024 10:07:08 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 8/16/2024 9:59 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 8/16/2024 9:28 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 8/16/24 10:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 8/16/2024 8:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-08-16 12:02:00 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>>>> Unless an unlimited emulation of DDD by HHH can reach the "return" >>>>>> instruction of DDD it is construed that this instance of DDD never >>>>>> halts. >>>>> But that also construes that HHH is a program that DOES an unlimited >>>>> emulation of DDD, and thus isn't a decider >>>> Not at all. never has. >>> Yes, because DDD is defined to call its simulator. If you change the >>> simulator to abort, you also change the simulated HHH. Nobody cares >>> about HHH aborting a pure simulator. > >>>> HHH must predict what the behavior of an unlimited simulation would >>>> be. >>> The HHH that aborts must predict what DDD calling an aborting HHH does >> NOT AT ALL, NEVER HAS. >> PREDICT WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WOULD BE >> IF IT WAS AN UNLIMITED EMULATION > Yes, an unlimited simulation of an aborting HHH. Prediction of behavior of unlimited emulation means prediction of behavior that never aborts. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer