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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:18:10 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <v9p194$1kr20$3@dont-email.me> References: <natpbjpflimtqa3k1p3dfrmkkd27ih9l0r@4ax.com> <bkiqbjlutis6dcl8ika0t0i8l70125sa18@4ax.com> <aklrbjl45g43p45kdur66099751466pmfi@4ax.com> <v9ktff$3t7dn$6@dont-email.me> <v9l5dh$10a85$1@dont-email.me> <427sbjpl85qb9v28m4s8ihqj335so892n9@4ax.com> <v9l8ud$10n7l$2@dont-email.me> <o4csbjdtu8t99sjjeeijjshjs17ko4miln@4ax.com> <v9ldee$10n7m$7@dont-email.me> <v9ldkv$11ai1$2@dont-email.me> <uefubjl289nishqcq5eqdeqdj0vj0rt7t6@4ax.com> <v9o65q$1h8t3$1@dont-email.me> <0ibvbjtnogf47avmn1v8rj5sf94g9corum@4ax.com> <v9ot76$1kbqe$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 04:18:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="34e2c7e9af7928a732b379e00e27d287"; logging-data="1731648"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IC1ud1xI2cJB6w6vQjLTw" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wWuMT6+9Sm/HRde/ydJXNKETTUA= In-Reply-To: <v9ot76$1kbqe$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3554 On 8/16/2024 8:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 8/16/2024 3:59 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >> >> Krygowski has yet to comprehend the simple fact that >> benefits and >> detriments are subjective. > > Benefits and detriments can very often be measured. The > benefits of bicycling have been measured in terms of > increased health, reduced health care costs, years of life > saved, pollution reduced, etc. etc. I've seen and filed at > least five studies that have done that, each one showing > that the benefits of bicycling far outweigh its tiny risks. > > The detriments of American gun craziness can also be > measured. As just one example, huge numbers of schools now > hire full time security guards in case some whacko with an > AR attempts to enter the building. The buildings themselves > are now often "hardened," with various weapon detecting and > weapon resisting technologies. That was never the case until > the current gun mania came into fashion; and taxpayers pick > up the bill for that extra security - as they do for > advanced protective equipment for most policing. So we all > pay for the gun fetishists fantasy hobby. > > It would make sense to levy a massive tax on every gun with, > say, more than 6 rounds capacity, to pay for the security > expenses they generate. But of course, the "Gotta have a big > gun" crew is also the "No new taxes" crew. They want others > to pay for their play toys' consequences. > > They can indeed be measured but only within preselected parameters, which are subjective. 'What's important?' is the first question. Back to bicycles, some people will begin with light weight. And oh do they ever quantify that! Others look first at maximum tire width clearance. Yet others start with lowest gear. You get the idea. At the end, no two people ever agree on 'best bike' because their criteria, and ranking of those criteria, vary. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971