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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 10:06:23 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 90 Message-ID: <v9qe9g$1ulvl$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9l5dh$10a85$1@dont-email.me> <427sbjpl85qb9v28m4s8ihqj335so892n9@4ax.com> <v9l8ud$10n7l$2@dont-email.me> <o4csbjdtu8t99sjjeeijjshjs17ko4miln@4ax.com> <v9ldee$10n7m$7@dont-email.me> <v9ldkv$11ai1$2@dont-email.me> <uefubjl289nishqcq5eqdeqdj0vj0rt7t6@4ax.com> <v9o65q$1h8t3$1@dont-email.me> <0ibvbjtnogf47avmn1v8rj5sf94g9corum@4ax.com> <v9ot76$1kbqe$3@dont-email.me> <v9p1b4$1kr20$4@dont-email.me> <v9p25b$1kbqe$10@dont-email.me> <v9q8ib$1tr17$3@dont-email.me> <qv91cj16mii1vspjgoii6v8dtgv6mtb03n@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 17:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="34e2c7e9af7928a732b379e00e27d287"; logging-data="2054133"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Y79VSD/76oHO1dm8BWPRs" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:VGG+hsO86Y4N2UAtJ6+QjbCsjdk= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <qv91cj16mii1vspjgoii6v8dtgv6mtb03n@4ax.com> Bytes: 5190 On 8/17/2024 8:52 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:28:43 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > >> On 8/16/2024 9:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 8/16/2024 10:19 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 8/16/2024 8:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 8/16/2024 3:59 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Krygowski has yet to comprehend the simple fact that >>>>>> benefits and >>>>>> detriments are subjective. >>>>> >>>>> Benefits and detriments can very often be measured. The >>>>> benefits of bicycling have been measured in terms of >>>>> increased health, reduced health care costs, years of >>>>> life saved, pollution reduced, etc. etc. I've seen and >>>>> filed at least five studies that have done that, each one >>>>> showing that the benefits of bicycling far outweigh its >>>>> tiny risks. >>>>> >>>>> The detriments of American gun craziness can also be >>>>> measured. As just one example, huge numbers of schools >>>>> now hire full time security guards in case some whacko >>>>> with an AR attempts to enter the building. The buildings >>>>> themselves are now often "hardened," with various weapon >>>>> detecting and weapon resisting technologies. That was >>>>> never the case until the current gun mania came into >>>>> fashion; and taxpayers pick up the bill for that extra >>>>> security - as they do for advanced protective equipment >>>>> for most policing. So we all pay for the gun fetishists >>>>> fantasy hobby. >>>>> >>>>> It would make sense to levy a massive tax on every gun >>>>> with, say, more than 6 rounds capacity, to pay for the >>>>> security expenses they generate. But of course, the >>>>> "Gotta have a big gun" crew is also the "No new taxes" >>>>> crew. They want others to pay for their play toys' >>>>> consequences. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> p.s. >>>> You cannot tax an enumerated right. *example = poll tax) >>>> This is once again in the courts. >>> >>> You may be right. But I didn't say it was legally possible. >>> I said only that it would make sense. >>> >> >> Not in our (yet relatively) free Constitutional Republic. >> It's nonsense. >> >> More deeply, as Chesterton actually wrote (popularly >> misquoted by JFK): >> >> In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from >> deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a >> principle which will probably be called a paradox. There >> exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us >> say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected >> across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily >> up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us >> clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of >> reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use >> of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and >> think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do >> see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it. >> >> Our Framers had indeed thought deeply before composing our >> Constitution and argued, discussed, fought and reconsidered >> repeatedly before writing. > > How wonderful is the fact that they made the requirments for amending > the Constitution too difficult and complex for the bureaucrats to > fiddle with it in accordance with their whims and presumptions. Uh, mostly. Not including the occasional mass hysteria: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-18/ Or our modern inability to think logically or compose clearly: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/ -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971