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On 8/17/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/16/2024 9:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/16/2024 10:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 8/16/2024 8:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2024 3:59 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski has yet to comprehend the simple fact that benefits and
>>>>> detriments are subjective. 
>>>>
>>>> Benefits and detriments can very often be measured. The benefits of 
>>>> bicycling have been measured in terms of increased health, reduced 
>>>> health care costs, years of life saved, pollution reduced, etc. etc. 
>>>> I've seen and filed at least five studies that have done that, each 
>>>> one showing that the benefits of bicycling far outweigh its tiny risks.
>>>>
>>>> The detriments of American gun craziness can also be measured. As 
>>>> just one example, huge numbers of schools now hire full time 
>>>> security guards in case some whacko with an AR attempts to enter the 
>>>> building. The buildings themselves are now often "hardened," with 
>>>> various weapon detecting and weapon resisting technologies. That was 
>>>> never the case until the current gun mania came into fashion; and 
>>>> taxpayers pick up the bill for that extra security - as they do for 
>>>> advanced protective equipment for most policing. So we all pay for 
>>>> the gun fetishists fantasy hobby.
>>>>
>>>> It would make sense to levy a massive tax on every gun with, say, 
>>>> more than 6 rounds capacity, to pay for the security expenses they 
>>>> generate. But of course, the "Gotta have a big gun" crew is also the 
>>>> "No new taxes" crew. They want others to pay for their play toys' 
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> p.s.
>>> You cannot tax an enumerated right. *example = poll tax) This is once 
>>> again in the courts.
>>
>> You may be right. But I didn't say it was legally possible. I said 
>> only that it would make sense.
>>
> 
> Not in our (yet relatively)  free Constitutional Republic. It's nonsense.
> 
> More deeply, as Chesterton actually wrote (popularly misquoted by JFK):
> 
> In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, 
> there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably 
> be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution 
> or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected 
> across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and 
> says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the 
> more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t 
> see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and 
> think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use 
> of it, I may allow you to destroy it.
> 
> Our Framers had indeed thought deeply before composing our Constitution 
> and argued, discussed, fought and reconsidered repeatedly before writing.
> 

It's too bad the modern "originalists" spend so much time contorting the 
intent of the framers