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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Proof that DDD specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike is not paying attention Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:09:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <v9qlh3$1tedb$21@dont-email.me> References: <v9gv4k$4sc4$1@dont-email.me> <561f876601b0329c0260bac26f8b6dfb6e28647f@i2pn2.org> <v9h5af$9jn6$1@dont-email.me> <bdfcf881b9a9ce7e2bc197339d14a01beae1116d@i2pn2.org> <XYucnXqdgeWiVSH7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <b8a96bbfe0516cf99b6f38c23fb4eccc3810ee7e@i2pn2.org> <v9krc5$uqhs$1@dont-email.me> <v9l7hf$vao1$3@dont-email.me> <v9laed$113gd$2@dont-email.me> <EbecnaOe1ajC1yP7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9llh9$12l6c$2@dont-email.me> <v9mt9h$1bdeu$3@dont-email.me> <P6-cnWf3Z5zzLyL7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9oerj$1iiu2$1@dont-email.me> <3rKcnXwB7eKxUF37nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v9qj19$1tedb$16@dont-email.me> <08606604207a9133fec84317c0cc04469711b4ce@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:09:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5c4a0c817977c3965e873c4f304e2b88"; logging-data="2013611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+pUQ9xpIOk+TkXw1/pXyE/" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Z+nb46NYOidCn2z+3tJg+pKuxeU= In-Reply-To: <08606604207a9133fec84317c0cc04469711b4ce@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3834 On 8/17/2024 11:33 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/17/24 12:27 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 11:17 AM, Mike Terry wrote: >>> >>> For some time at the beginning I continued because I was curious >>> about the details of what PO had coded (his x86utm program), and I >>> just enjoy mucking about with different code hence my curiosity. Also >>> I have the white night syndrome I guess - but no illusions that I can >>> help PO. Most of my early days on Usenet were spent on groups like >>> alt.math.undergrad, where posters were typically students who were >>> motivated to learn and so listened to what the regulars had to say. >>> Compare that to sci.math which has almost no students, and instead >>> has dozens of cranks whose aim is definitely /not/ to learn anything! >>> >>> If I post here these days it is generally for the possible benefit of >>> others conversing with PO - e.g. perhaps it seems to me that weeks of >>> time are being wasted /through some simple miscommunication/ with PO. >>> I've been around longer than the current (relative) newcommers [not >>> as long as you and Ben I think], so I have more context for what PO >>> is trying to say, >> >> *Yet you persistently fail to agree with Ben on this* > > > Because you just don't understand what Ben said here, because you are > just too stupid. > >> >> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> > I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H >> > (it's trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines >> > that P(P) *would* never stop running *unless* aborted. >> ... >> > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt if it >> > were not halted. That much is a truism. >> >> Ben said that my criteria has been met that cannot possibly be correctly interpreted to mean that my criteria has not been met. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer