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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:47:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 80 Message-ID: <v9r5ok$1tedb$41@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v9qgn7$1tedb$15@dont-email.me> <6272b80d0aeaca324ac8624dce71945edeb59092@i2pn2.org> <v9qjg5$1tedb$17@dont-email.me> <2e642af254f6140ce8711da64f31d4fd8467d58b@i2pn2.org> <v9qkeb$1tedb$19@dont-email.me> <f883e0312dcbce8663eaa445348e225687d83959@i2pn2.org> <v9qm86$1tedb$22@dont-email.me> <a2c1ed800e02c5e922df63241206c00d855680d5@i2pn2.org> <v9qncv$1tedb$25@dont-email.me> <2d7efb21a7466aa56ed7be937da998852f6882af@i2pn2.org> <v9qon8$1tedb$27@dont-email.me> <e452294ec866e3297f9bfec55eff17db4a347a25@i2pn2.org> <v9qpju$1tedb$30@dont-email.me> <1ec5e64194f4e88998b8d462497e3a378e1d91fd@i2pn2.org> <v9qsn9$1tedb$33@dont-email.me> <c094e38b272f3522f77a85301391ec1d3ae399a9@i2pn2.org> <v9qv6c$1tedb$34@dont-email.me> <8afe6c7a528a79eb88aa4754f84d524134d83cc6@i2pn2.org> <v9r2nc$1tedb$37@dont-email.me> <7b3df4b2e110cce7c51ca2ce0b82b26531030402@i2pn2.org> <v9r4dp$1tedb$39@dont-email.me> <1b66f6b4e791240d42b21207e2c0eaa9362932b8@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 23:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5c4a0c817977c3965e873c4f304e2b88"; logging-data="2013611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19h4jUtwqFK6EVDutJlpB2+" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RsxgYxUir9XQ9z3hOqM34iGbARI= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <1b66f6b4e791240d42b21207e2c0eaa9362932b8@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4571 On 8/17/2024 4:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 8/17/24 5:24 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 8/17/24 4:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> It is more of a somewhat poorly defined process than it is a defined >>>> term. >>>> >>> >>> Thinks IGNORANT you. >>> >> >> The vast disagreement on very important truths >> such as climate change and election denial seems >> to prove that the notion of truth lacks a process >> sufficiently well defined that it is accessible >> to most. >> > > But has nothing to do with what Philosophy thinks of as truth, but of > people being closed minded > The process is not sufficiently well defined such that divergence from truth smacks people in the face. >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They are generally a learned-by-rote bunch. Philosophy of >>>>>> logic delves into this more deeply the problem. The >>>>>> learned-by-rote bunch assumes that learning by rote makes >>>>>> them philosophers. They tend to push actual philosophers >>>>>> out by denigrating them in the philosophy of logic spaces. >>>>>> Wittgenstein had no patience with them. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, you have your never-learned-because-of-ignorance ideas that are >>>>> just incoherent. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It may seem that way from a learned-by-rote the rules-of-logic >>>> and the "received view" are my gospel frame of reference. >>> >>> Thinks IGNORANT YOU. >>> >> >> Wittgenstein said the same thing. >> Try to name any logician that has any history of >> being open to critiques of the received view and >> you will come up empty. >> >>>> >>>>> Your trying to ally with Wittgenstein doesn't really help you, as >>>>> his ideas were not always accepted, and considered prone to error, >>>>> not unlike your own. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It may seem that way from a learned-by-rote the rules-of-logic >>>> and the "received view" are my gospel frame of reference. >>>> >>> >>> Thinks IGNORANT YOU. >>> >>> Your problem is you reject that logic HAS rules that need to be >>> followed, >> >> Just like I said a learned-by-rote view. >> Not any what happens if we change this rule? POV > > Note, I said has rules, and different forms of logic have different > rules, something that seems foreign to you. > We change one key rule of logic and then all of the logical paradoxes suddenly disappear and logic becomes complete, coherent and consistent. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer