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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:28:04 -0400
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On 8/17/2024 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/16/2024 9:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/16/2024 10:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 8/16/2024 8:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/16/2024 3:59 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Krygowski has yet to comprehend the simple fact that benefits and
>>>>> detriments are subjective. 
>>>>
>>>> Benefits and detriments can very often be measured. The benefits of 
>>>> bicycling have been measured in terms of increased health, reduced 
>>>> health care costs, years of life saved, pollution reduced, etc. etc. 
>>>> I've seen and filed at least five studies that have done that, each 
>>>> one showing that the benefits of bicycling far outweigh its tiny risks.
>>>>
>>>> The detriments of American gun craziness can also be measured. As 
>>>> just one example, huge numbers of schools now hire full time 
>>>> security guards in case some whacko with an AR attempts to enter the 
>>>> building. The buildings themselves are now often "hardened," with 
>>>> various weapon detecting and weapon resisting technologies. That was 
>>>> never the case until the current gun mania came into fashion; and 
>>>> taxpayers pick up the bill for that extra security - as they do for 
>>>> advanced protective equipment for most policing. So we all pay for 
>>>> the gun fetishists fantasy hobby.
>>>>
>>>> It would make sense to levy a massive tax on every gun with, say, 
>>>> more than 6 rounds capacity, to pay for the security expenses they 
>>>> generate. But of course, the "Gotta have a big gun" crew is also the 
>>>> "No new taxes" crew. They want others to pay for their play toys' 
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> p.s.
>>> You cannot tax an enumerated right. *example = poll tax) This is once 
>>> again in the courts.
>>
>> You may be right. But I didn't say it was legally possible. I said 
>> only that it would make sense.
>>
> 
> Not in our (yet relatively)  free Constitutional Republic. It's nonsense.
> 
> More deeply, as Chesterton actually wrote (popularly misquoted by JFK):
> 
> In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, 
> there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably 
> be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution 
> or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected 
> across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and 
> says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the 
> more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t 
> see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and 
> think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use 
> of it, I may allow you to destroy it.
> 
> Our Framers had indeed thought deeply before composing our Constitution 
> and argued, discussed, fought and reconsidered repeatedly before writing.

Sorry, that reads like arcane blather. Speak to the problem. School 
systems now spend small fortunes to defend schools against potential 
mass shooters. It increases the tax burden on the entire public, whether 
they have any interest in fast shooting guns or not, whether they have 
kids or grandkids or not. We are paying for the external effects of your 
hobby.

Why would it not make sense for _you_ to pay for the external effects of 
your hobby?

-- 
- Frank Krygowski