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Subject: Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:17:29 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 12:58:31 +0200
"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> boringly babbled:
>On 2024-08-17 11:01, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:02:20 -0000 (UTC)
>> kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) gabbled:
>>> So it is indeed a vague question of what belongs in given programming
>>> languages.
>> 
>> Indeed. And this gives rise to inconsistency. Why is threading now considered
>
>> a core part of C++ but multi process isn't? Perhaps because Windows is
>hopeless
>> at the latter in user space but it could just be personal preference within
>the
>> C++ steering committee, who knows.
>
>Windows inter-process API are far more advanced than what UNIX ever had. 

No they're not. The core IPC is less sophisticated than unix but libraries
build upon those shallow foundations.

>It would be enough to mention famous file locks. These days Linux has 
>futex + file mapping. So, finally, you can create a system-wide mutex. 
>Which under Windows is a single API call.

No sane person uses system wide mutexes as they can cause horrendous 
problems.

>The reason why processes are not included is that they are used to deal 
>with some OS or design flaw that forces you to spawn some script or 
>application. Then real-time embedded applications may have no processes 

Clearly you've never written a mission critical server backend. You never
use threads if forking a seperate process can do the same job. If a thread
crashes in a multi threaded server it brings down the entire server. If a 
child process crashes, well to bad, but at least the rest of the server
processes are still running.

Also shell pipelining is obviously not something you're familiar with.