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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: MS Access Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:55:11 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 75 Message-ID: <v9tci0$2fjdn$1@dont-email.me> References: <V_bvO.59242$1Gdb.13771@fx04.iad> <sIEo7n.4tnJ@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 19:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d639954d484afbf20d2c48619089b7a2"; logging-data="2608567"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194JU9etTA52pCqOUxdQrWo4vf2KlofCQc=" User-Agent: Ratcatcher/2.0.0.25 (Windows/20130802) Cancel-Lock: sha1:P9k5lKRJL4+WEWJbQzGPAl6aIhw= In-Reply-To: <sIEo7n.4tnJ@yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4079 On Sun, 8/18/2024 4:43 AM, Jack Strangio wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >> >> Linux is doing well in the server world, but the desktop will be a >> much harder sell. > > For God's sake, not so loud! Keep it down! > > My desktop knew nothing but UNIX for 10 years, then has known nothing but > Linux for 20 years after that. > > It would have a mental breakdown if it found out there were other operating > systems out there in the world. > > Jack > I can see a plan is coming together here. Well, we had a plan, but we drunk all the beer, and now we're passed out on the floor. Oh well, maybe next year. ******* A lot of newer computers, no longer come with an optical drive. Burning an ISO9660 is not a practical option for those. Utilities for "making" USB stick setups, are fraught with problems. Even if you gave the average user instructions, with the state of USB handling, they could hardly be expected to succeed at the task of making the media for the OS in question. USB setups have silly requirements like "present a stick with a partition on it", then the USB tool "formats" the stick and removes the partition in question. The process then, is "logical and makes so much sense". If you wanted to provide an easy path for a Win-to-Linux transition, use a stub.exe to pull down the OS and put it on the disk. That's how Microsoft does it. And even they don't do a good job (can't run their MediaCreationTool.exe on WinXP). On older machines, we can be using our Nvidia binary blobs, and the years-of-support are limited. My 7900GT (suitable for Optiplex 780 refurb with Core2 Duo processor), Linux media now, the screen freezes with graphical noise on it, and I can't flip to terminal and do anything (function keys). A copy of Windows runs that screen fine. How is it that a Windows can run a screen when a Linux can't ? There used to be a time, when Linux was proud to outdo Windows on the length of support for old hardware, but no more. Linux has succumbed to the same hardware snobbery as every other ecosystem. Puppy is the only shining example. It uses XVesa for X11 and that "drives just about anything". Yet, no other distro seems to be able to take a page from the Puppy play book. Puppy is so good, it even runs on hardware, where there is hardly any alignment between drivers and hardware at all! Which is most impressive. Puppy is able to modprobe older hardware, and do a good job on drivers, but for newer hardware, not many things have drivers, and yet it still works. ******* But I'm still on the floor right now, I'm drunk and passed out. Later. The current plan, is for Power Users to embrace Linux, which would be... oh... about 3% of the desktop population. Google has prepared media, to use their ChromeOS intellectual properly and install it on Windows hardware. They're a bit prepared. They've been sipping their beer, and haven't passed out. https://support.google.com/chromeosflex/answer/11552529?hl=en Paul