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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:07:03 +0300
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On 2024-08-18 12:18:02 +0000, olcott said:

> On 8/15/2024 4:01 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-08-13 12:43:16 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 8/13/2024 6:24 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-12 13:44:33 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/12/2024 1:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-08-10 10:52:03 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-09 15:29:18 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2024 10:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2024 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-08-08 16:01:19 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding
>>>>>>>>>>>> how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What in the synonymity, other than the synonymity itself,
>>>>>>>>>>> would be relevant to Quine's topic?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> He mentions it 98 times in his paper
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't looked at it in years.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters
>>>>>>>>>>>> to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are
>>>>>>>>>>>> {true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language}
>>>>>>>>>>>> so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That does not justify lying.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I never lie. Sometimes I make mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>> It looks like you only want to dodge the actual
>>>>>>>>>> topic with any distraction that you can find.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of
>>>>>>>>>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines
>>>>>>>>>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that
>>>>>>>>>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>>>>> distinction.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of
>>>>>>>>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines
>>>>>>>>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that
>>>>>>>>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic
>>>>>>>>> distinction.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable or the
>>>>>>>>> expression is simply untrue because it lacks a truthmaker.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't. An algrithm or at least a proof of existence of an
>>>>>>>> algrithm makes something computable. You  can't compute if you con't
>>>>>>>> know how. The truth makeker of computability is an algorithm.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is either a sequence of truth preserving operations from
>>>>>>> the set of expressions stipulated to be true (AKA the verbal
>>>>>>> model of the actual world) to x or x is simply untrue. This is
>>>>>>> how the Liar Paradox is best refuted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nice to see that you con't disagree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> When the idea that I presented is fully understood
>>>>> it abolishes the whole notion of undecidability.
>>>> 
>>>> If you can't prove atl least that you have an interesting idea
>>>> nobody is going to stody it enough to understood.
>>> 
>>> In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition
>>> is a proposition that is known to be true by understanding its meaning
>>> without proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-evidence
>> 
>> Self-evident propositions are uninteresting.
>> 
> 
> It turns out that self-evident <is> the notion of {analytic truth}
> and all of math and logic only deals in {analytic truth}.

A large part of what math and logic deals in is not self-evident.
For examle, most people would not regard it self-evident that in
classical geometry it is impossible to construct a square that
has the same area as a given circle.

-- 
Mikko