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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 08:07:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <v9vg1v$2rjt1$12@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> <v97goj$ielu$1@dont-email.me> <v9c93e$35sg6$1@dont-email.me> <v9d3k1$3ajip$1@dont-email.me> <v9ffpr$3s45o$1@dont-email.me> <v9fkd4$3se8c$1@dont-email.me> <v9kg66$tdvb$1@dont-email.me> <v9nbjf$1dj8q$1@dont-email.me> <20b1dea98eda49e74e822c96b37565bb3eb36013@i2pn2.org> <v9o4p2$1h5u4$1@dont-email.me> <cd12fb81fcd05d2e112fc8aca2f5b791c521cfc9@i2pn2.org> <v9oddf$1i745$2@dont-email.me> <7f2a1f77084810d4cee18ac3b44251601380b93a@i2pn2.org> <v9ogmp$1i745$6@dont-email.me> <662de0ccc3dc5a5f0be0918d340aa3314d51a348@i2pn2.org> <v9oj4r$1i745$8@dont-email.me> <02642e518edd3aa9152cd47e4e527f21ee53a0e8@i2pn2.org> <v9okho$1i745$10@dont-email.me> <60c0214582c7f97e49ef6f8853bff95569774f97@i2pn2.org> <v9p7im$1p6bp$4@dont-email.me> <d67278caa0b8782725e806b61adf892028f2bf89@i2pn2.org> <v9qd2p$1tedb$10@dont-email.me> <v9sikj$2brft$1@dont-email.me> <v9sn0p$2c67u$5@dont-email.me> <v9v060$2q7du$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 15:07:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a406f5e7706e340b197dee4287cd04b3"; logging-data="3002273"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18gZNTvHqvnnP4EzP1H/7zH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Yk+NwA93uW0DylRsfBu043uKLnU= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v9v060$2q7du$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3825 On 8/19/2024 3:36 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-18 11:47:36 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/18/2024 5:32 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-17 14:45:45 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/17/2024 9:40 AM, Richard Damon wrote:>>> >>>>> No, you said that "ALL THEY DID" was that, and that is just a LIE. >>>>> >>>>> They developed a full formal system. >>>>> >>>> >>>> They did nothing besides change the definition of >>>> a set and the result of this was a new formal system. >>> >>> Yes they did. They did show that the new system is similar enough to >>> the old systems to be called "set theory" and sufficiently useful. >>> >> >> They redefined the notion of a set in set theory and that >> by itself got rid of Russell's Paradox. Mostly this disallows >> a set to be a member of itself. > > The new notion is restricted to their new system. The general informal > notion of "set" is unaffected. Some sets, e.q. Quine's atom that > contains itself and nothing else is not a set in Zermelo's theory > but is an example of a set according to the general notion. > >> I redefine the notion of formal system in math and logic >> and this by itself gets rids of undecidability. Mostly this >> rejects self-contradictory expressions. > > Math and logic are not formal systems that could be replaced with > other formal systems. The notion of formal system cannot be redefined. > You can construct a new formal system where formal system is formally > defined but that definition has no consequences outside that syatem. > I am doing the same sort of thing that ZFC did to conquer RP and my end result is that undecidability ceases to exist. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer