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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 03:01:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Langevin traveler and simultaneity. Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <Wa9w3Wa_pYh2RfoV8OhSZOEKzig@jntp> <m7OdnWPyZotyYGj7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> <5acyt35ufD_JOsFm569ZOhEfuPY@jntp> <TeqcnUg1bu9QhWv7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <NEKdnU1N4aztg2v7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 20:01:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <NEKdnU1N4aztg2v7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <vLOcndmiduyMvWv7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 88 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-H9c3l15ebh26ylMpyiL1Qab3VKyNwu7uPKXOLbkEz37yJnzPfxZmR+o92tLqlIjL5pyjTCjf8qVugWh!PY9cJF6DJMLTpb18KFjPN1E9KGxqLCwY3HzEE+IZ21Tv7TawnsKeL94xkXi9H0LrBWaV8zkyqQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4656 On 09/26/2024 07:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 09/26/2024 07:30 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 09/26/2024 06:23 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: >>> Le 27/09/2024 à 02:35, Ross Finlayson a écrit : >>>> On 09/26/2024 03:34 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: >>> >>>> You mean Terrell? >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_rotation >>> >>> This is unfortunately very poor work. >>> >>> R.H. >>> >> >> That's funny, I can barely scratch two dimes together. >> >> Luckily though Uncle Abe's on both sides of the money, >> coins and bills, or, you know, while pennies circulate. >> It's usually good to have your face on the money, usually. >> >> >> The numbers one would expect are naturally _very_ frugal, >> what with regards to the give-and-take of the dimensional >> analysis, also always provide exact change. >> >> >> Now, besides as taking a perceived slight as a chance to >> crow a bit, then, perhaps instead you intended Terrell, >> or, it's kind of like that one fellow "physics is broken", >> and it's like, "is it perhaps, est-ce que peut-etre ainsi, >> that you have a better one?", and when it's like, "physics >> is broken", then it's like, "no thanks, I don't want >> another broken physics, the one we have is pretty well understood". >> >> >> Besides, it's pretty clear that actual development, progress >> in physics, requires actual development, progress in mathematics, >> thus to improve the mathematical model to thusly equip the >> physical model, what otherwise is sort of inflexible, >> the usual development and its usual derivations. >> >> >> Then, Terrell rotation, has that Terrell rotation is also >> considered _outside_ of just special relativity, Terrell >> has some things going on in "relativistic dynamics". Then, >> the write-up there is pretty much "we got extra credit >> for saying Special Relativity twice", that I'd agree it's >> more the reference to the wider surrounds, like the, >> FLRW metric and this kind of thing?, including Terrell, >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann%E2%80%93Lema%C3%AEtre%E2%80%93Robertson%E2%80%93Walker_metric >> >> >> >> ... that Terrell: also writes in _General_ Relativity. >> >> >> Then, if you make it so that there's that "the Galilean _is_ >> Lorentzian for the linear and furthermore starts bringing >> space along in the frame", while "the rotational is Lorentzian >> and observes specially the mass/energy equivalency", helping >> sort out those are two different things, both gives what >> appears to be clock skews, and, explains how clock skews >> occur in the gravitational wave, and, always has forward time, >> then your co-moving travellers you could notice would add >> back up as with regards to a clock hypothesis. >> >> >> I.e., the goal is not so much to contrive a paradox, >> as to contrive how there aren't any more. >> >> Nobody's got much use for a paradox. >> >> > > I suppose one can always invoke Zeno and point out > that naive inference arrives at nothing going, > to help illustrate that breaking physics is easy: > it's fixing it that's hard. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLoEv9p16iw&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F4_E-POURNmVLwp-dyzjYr- "Reading from Cirlot: a deconstructionist account"