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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:19:38 -0400
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On 8/20/2024 12:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:33:06 -0400, Catrike Ryder
> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 10:54:16 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/20/2024 10:38 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 11:25:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2024 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The formal education racket is not for everyone, but education is nearly
>>>>>> free, requiring only time, diligence and access to a few used book stores.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Andrew, that's true only for the lowest definition of "education."
>>>>>
>>>>> In one of the first engineering classes I took, the teacher said
>>>>> something like "Look at the guys standing to your left and right. They
>>>>> are probably not going to make it through this curriculum. Only about
>>>>> ten percent of the men who start this program manage to complete it."
>>>>>
>>>>> And he was right. It's very foolish to believe that everyone is equally
>>>>> intelligent, and that everyone can succeed if they just try really hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly recall students who were diligent, studied hard, got special
>>>>> help, spent tons of time on their work and still failed. I felt sorry
>>>>> for them, but if they were not up to standards, they did not pass.
>>>>
>>>> Education is a tool. It's what one does with the education that
>>>> counts, not the piece of fancy paper they hang on the wall and brag
>>>> about.
>>>
>>> While it's true that autodidacts often suffer gaps of
>>> education, it's also true that graduates include those who
>>> tested well with little post college retention and also
>>> those of extremely narrow education.
>>>
>>> Neither is a perfect solution for everyone.
> 
>> ...and many with a near, or even a totallly worthless degree.
>> https://www.universities.com/resources/most-useless-degrees
> 
> Such lists are useful for avoiding professions that don't pay well.
> However, they are often interpreted as suggesting one should not take
> any classes in the various listed "useless degree" fields.  While I
> majored in Electrical and Electronic Engineering, the next most USEFUL
> classes I took were (in order starting with most useful):
> - Economics
> - Psychology
> - Tractor driving and mechanics
> - Computer programming
> - Philosophy
> None of these classes would have been useful had I not concentrated on
> my chosen profession.  For example, I know engineers who dabble in
> philosophy, but no psychologists or economists who know anything about
> engineering.
:-)  When my wife returned to college, she and I took a Music 
Appreciation course together. On the advice of a musician friend, we 
took the more advanced version intended for music majors, not the 
General Education version.

Anyway: The professor knew of my department. Several times, he make some 
slightly disparaging cracks about a certain "engineer" who became a 
music major.

I eventually pointed out to him (diplomatically) that the guy he called 
an "engineer" was a guy who had actually dropped out of engineering. And 
I also pointed out that I was voluntarily taking a course in his 
program. He would never be able to take a course in mine.

BTW, despite that last comment of mine, we still get along just fine. I 
have several friends among Music faculty.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski