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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2024 21:51:21 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 214 Message-ID: <va3h6p$3j0kg$5@dont-email.me> References: <v9tf33$2fm0s$4@dont-email.me> <4pk4cjh6lokkmah8hu0dfqu0gq99akff7l@4ax.com> <v9u4bv$2is2s$3@dont-email.me> <nns5cjhvfa23vbjhongnv94u0bs1ags6tl@4ax.com> <gj06cj1kimofmc8u9kt250diqmchn1pf2d@4ax.com> <v9voo7$2tip9$4@dont-email.me> <omp6cj9hm1c9bh8l5a9dee0ps37siiqoa0@4ax.com> <bhn7cjldbqvv58f67m3pbo1fcvjdbphser@4ax.com> <va0tks$3793q$4@dont-email.me> <s3o8cjdesesc2mgr60t2t9rdjqrv12m2l8@4ax.com> <tnq8cjd26q686281q3kmkmbok4gkj9u2j7@4ax.com> <va23o0$3chus$3@dont-email.me> <nndacjl6o7eljdqirb8qa8i281pjq66ipu@4ax.com> <va3dte$3ita9$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 03:51:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f7c54fa4190a54032d64c103764a7873"; logging-data="3768976"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19abCCTPsktI9mnSqo7tb4HFzMQg+Txno8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:u/D5I0vkNiY3oNVOcy3uZma4f9s= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <va3dte$3ita9$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 10404 On 8/20/2024 8:55 PM, AMuzi wrote: > On 8/20/2024 7:41 PM, John B. wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 07:55:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >>> On 8/20/2024 6:09 AM, John B. wrote: >>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 05:23:32 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 22:05:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/19/2024 8:50 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:46:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:35:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/19/2024 6:27 AM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 03:42:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 20:41:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:38:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2024 11:37 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But as I've mentioned a number of times my family has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had guns for at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least 4 generations, as close as I can calculate 300 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years or so, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never shot anyone. Why does Frankie want to penalize us? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My bet is that your family had guns for hunting and pest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> control. My bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also that your family never owned a gun that could fire >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> say, six rounds in a minute. After all, that capability is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useless for almost all hunting. But it is "useful" if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> intend to kill >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a roomful of kids, or church attendees. That is the gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>> style's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant detriment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you _should_ be able to remember, I'm firmly in favor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hunting. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nonsense. My dad's old Winchester model 69 (1930s) >>>>>>>>>>>>> had an eight >>>>>>>>>>>>> round mag. My Colt Woodsman had a ten round mag. That >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't count the >>>>>>>>>>>>> one in the pipe. Counting that, put all the Wichester model >>>>>>>>>>>>> 94s at 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>> rds. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know those guns exist. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No you don't. You never heard of them until I mentioned them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm betting John's family didn't have them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You obviously have no idea how many hunters have had a >>>>>>>>>>> Winchester 94. >>>>>>>>>>> I had one years ago. The one I had was a carbine and only had >>>>>>>>>>> a 6 rd >>>>>>>>>>> mag. The model 94 rifle produced today has an 8 rd mag. The >>>>>>>>>>> 94 stands >>>>>>>>>>> for 1894, by the way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>> while I may be wrong, it's certain that the earliest family >>>>>>>>>>>> members he >>>>>>>>>>>> bragged about did not have them, but probably still hunted >>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. >>>>>>>>>>>> A competent hunter doesn't need even six quick shots. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> As if you'd know anything about competent hunting. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I really can't figure where Frankie is gets his ideas and I >>>>>>>>>> can only >>>>>>>>>> assume that like Tom, just makes then up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Above he writes, "also that your family never owned a gun >>>>>>>>>> that could >>>>>>>>>> fire more than, say, six rounds in a minute." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I've said a number of times my father had a hunting rifle >>>>>>>>>> built on >>>>>>>>>> a Springfield army rifle base. 5 round magazine and one up the >>>>>>>>>> spout >>>>>>>>>> is 6 and I could, with no problems at all fire 6 rounds in a >>>>>>>>>> minute >>>>>>>>>> and if you want to talk about pistols I'm sure that you can >>>>>>>>>> fire your >>>>>>>>>> Colt Woodman even faster. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could probably get all 11 rds off in a couple of seconds, but I >>>>>>>> don't think I ever tried. Walking through the gardens, pastures and >>>>>>>> cornfields shooting gophers, it was handy not having to stop and >>>>>>>> reload. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah, John! First, please note that I said "MORE than 6 rounds in a >>>>>>>>> minute." You gave _one_ example of _one_ gun your father had, >>>>>>>>> but it did >>>>>>>>> not shoot _more_ than 6 in a minute. So, thanks for confirming >>>>>>>>> my guess! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And as I said, that capability is essentially useless for >>>>>>>>> hunting. I'm >>>>>>>>> betting you (or your father) never blasted six quick shots at >>>>>>>>> an animal >>>>>>>>> while hunting with that rifle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Krygowski dishonest strawman alert. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You could, of course, tell us some of your hunting tales, and >>>>>>>>> let us >>>>>>>>> know details of how you actually _used_ those guns. But I >>>>>>>>> suspect you >>>>>>>>> won't, because they'll describe one or two careful shots, not a >>>>>>>>> rapid >>>>>>>>> blast of shooting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Another Krygowski dishonest strawman alert. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that Frankie says "You gave _one_ example of _one_ gun your >>>>>>> father had, but it did not shoot _more_ than 6 in a minute." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I actually wrote, "I could, with no problems at all fire 6 >>>>>>> rounds in a minute". >>>>>> >>>>>> Good grief. Do you not understand the meaning of "more than"? That >>>>>> was >>>>>> the phrase I used. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And then he goes on to ignore the British army reference... >>>>>> >>>>>> Because I was talking about the guns _your family_ owned. How can >>>>>> you be >>>>>> so confused about the matter under discussion? And again, firing that >>>>>> many rounds that fast is useless in any normal hunting situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you're talking about your family's hunting gun use, why not >>>>>> tell >>>>>> us how many times you shot six rounds within a minute to kill game? >>>>> >>>>> Another Krygowski strawman.... >>>> >>>> Does the term adroit come to mind here, as in Frankie is adroit at >>>> changing the terms to justify his ignorance? >>>> >>>> The original of this 6 rounds in 1 minute discussion was Frankie >>>> seeming assertion that 6 rounds a minute was probably all that was >>>> possible with common fire arms >>>> >>>> I replied pointing out that an old army rifle converted to a hunting >>>> rice was certainly capable of that rate of fire and adding a British >>>> rifleman's test for rounds on the 300 yard target fired in one minute >>>> with a bolt action rifle >>>> >>>> Frankie now starts talking about hunting, a total change of subject >>>> (required in an attempt to avoid the fact that Frankie really doesn't ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========