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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 07:30:36 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <cd375f68f97a737988bab8c1332b7802509ff6ea@i2pn2.org> <va13po$376ed$7@dont-email.me> <d42e5d30ea5f1c067283cb04d8a7293e2117188e@i2pn2.org> <va24hl$3cvgv$1@dont-email.me> <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 14:30:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6fc4e6078b6f11ac657df23e0012e04d"; logging-data="4063806"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/hF4B+4Zx5U5sJL92TKbc2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:l6+UL92++HgXl/x06NBjAtUVG6k= In-Reply-To: <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3169 On 8/21/2024 3:01 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-21 03:01:38 +0000, olcott said: >> >> *We are only talking about one single point* >> Professor Sipser must have understood that an HHH(DDD) >> that does abort is supposed predict what would happen >> if it never aborted. > > Professor Sipser understood that what is not a part of the text > is not a part of the agreement. What H is required to predict > is fully determined by the words "halt decider H". The previous > word "simulating" refers to an implementation detail and does > not affect the requirements. > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> It is crucial to the requirements in that it specifies that H is required to predict (a) The behavior specified by the finite string D (b) As measured by the correct partial simulation of D by H (c) When H would never abort its simulation of F (d) This includes H simulating itself simulating D > Your words are so obviously crooked that only fool can be fooled. > > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer