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On 8/21/2024 2:31 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 11:30:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/21/2024 5:39 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 11:15:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:19:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/20/2024 12:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:33:06 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...and many with a near, or even a totallly worthless degree.
>>>>>>> https://www.universities.com/resources/most-useless-degrees
>>>>
>>>> Music is not on the above list of useless degrees.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Music, like history, is one of those college degrees where the only
>>> thing you can do with it is teach. Outside of teachers, I suspect that
>>> the vast majority of people who earn living with music never had much
>>> of an education in music.
>>
>> Spoken like a man totally ignorant of music theory, how difficult it can
>> be and how useful it is when playing, improvising or composing.
> 
> <LOL> I doubt the lack of knowledge of music theory caused Willy
> Nelson, Peter Frampton, Paul Simon, John Lennon, McArtney, or  George
> Harrison, any trouble...  Need I go on? I could fill the page with
> succesful musician/composers who never even heard the term "music
> theory."

Yes to all that but an equal number of counterexamples.

There's no general rule; Formal training assists and 
enriches some performers/songwriters while others get along 
well on extreme diligence and independent study alone.  Once 
in a while there's even a 'natural', a.k.a., 'idiot savant' 
as an outlier.  From musicians I've known, I'd say success 
correlates strongly to extreme diligence above all else.
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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