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From: jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll)
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 03:27:09 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <va68qr$6u1l$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8/21/2024 6:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 8/21/2024 12:21 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:18:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
>>>> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/19/24 23:54, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:29:21 -0700, Paul S Person
>>>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which ones?  The usual suspects have accused every Republican
>>>>>>>> president since Eisenhower of being a Nazi.  (Except Ford, for
>>>>>>>> some reason; him, they just tried to assassinate.  Twice.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tried and, as with Reagan and Trump failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Ike ever get accused of being a Nazi? Seems his activities 1942-45
>>>>>> should have forever inoculated him against that particular canard.
>>>>>> Ditto Truman, JFK and Nixon all of whom served in combat. (Well Truman
>>>>>> was a WW1 artilleryman)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Democrat Truman was never accused of dictatorial tendencies.
>>>>> He could threaten violence for bad reviews of his daughter Margaret.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Republican Eisenhower was only fascist toward gays and Communists
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Democrat JFK was left in pain from his wartime injuries.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Lyndon Baines Johnson served like Nixon in the USN which
>>>>> allowed him a lot of time in Hollywood getting lessons.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Republican Nixon only technically served in Combat but did
>>>>> work important to the War Effort. He succumbed to the idea of power
>>>>> as the president which lead to Watergate and his resignation.
>>>>> But for wartime
>>>>>
><https://thepurcellchronicles.blogspot.com/2017/05/commander-richard-m-nixon-and-world-war.html>
>>>>> 	No one ever called these men NAZIs except maybe extreme pacifists.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	Same for Republican Gerald Ford. Saved by a Gay man from
>>>>> assassination.  Gay Man's life was ruined by the publicity.
>>>>>
>>>>> 	and Democrat Jimmy Carter, victim of Republican chicanery.
>>>>
>>>> If it is true that Bush I cut a deal with Iran to not free the
>>>> hostages until Reagan was elected, then for "chicanery" we should read
>>>> "treason".
>>>
>>> Deals have two sides. What quid pro quo did Bush offer?
>>>
>>> I've always been under the impression that it was just
>>> Iran giving Clinton a final 'fuck you in particular'.
>>> I know there is an 'October Surprise' theory, but again,
>>> what did Iran get out of it?
>>>
>> 
>> I think you two are talking different Bush Eras.   It's not
>> difficult to believe that someone in Reagan's orbit influenced
>> the Iranians in order to smooth the path to a Reagan presidency.
>> Especially when one considers the subsequent Iran-Contra affair.
>> 
>> As for Ms. Clinton, the GOP has been attacking her personally
>> and continuously since 1992, trying pretty much every dirty
>> politcal trick in the book.
>
>
>Um, no. Paul S claimed that Bush I cut a deal with Iran.
>The Clinton I referred to was Bill Clinton, who was president
>during the Iran Hostage crisis. The final group of hostages
>was released Jan 20, 1981, mere hours after Clinton had
>handed over power to Reagan.
>
>Bush I was a private citizen during Clinton's presidency,
>and could not legally engage in diplomacy.

I believe you may have confused Bill Clinton (POTUS 1993 - 2000)
Jimmy Carter (POTUS 1977 to 1980). 


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