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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable --- truth-bearer Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:23:39 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <va7e4r$ebdg$5@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v9oddf$1i745$2@dont-email.me> <7f2a1f77084810d4cee18ac3b44251601380b93a@i2pn2.org> <v9ogmp$1i745$6@dont-email.me> <662de0ccc3dc5a5f0be0918d340aa3314d51a348@i2pn2.org> <v9oj4r$1i745$8@dont-email.me> <02642e518edd3aa9152cd47e4e527f21ee53a0e8@i2pn2.org> <v9okho$1i745$10@dont-email.me> <60c0214582c7f97e49ef6f8853bff95569774f97@i2pn2.org> <v9p7im$1p6bp$4@dont-email.me> <d67278caa0b8782725e806b61adf892028f2bf89@i2pn2.org> <v9qd2p$1tedb$10@dont-email.me> <4d8c7b1c69915ebbe108d7f4e29cf6172eac7759@i2pn2.org> <v9qel5$1tedb$13@dont-email.me> <43690773dba43c5d93d11635af0a26532e5be390@i2pn2.org> <v9qgn7$1tedb$15@dont-email.me> <v9sisj$2bs9m$1@dont-email.me> <v9slov$2c67u$3@dont-email.me> <v9uusd$2q1fo$1@dont-email.me> <v9vfh4$2rjt1$10@dont-email.me> <va1p24$3bb53$1@dont-email.me> <va26l9$3cvgv$5@dont-email.me> <bcbebf04fffc6303a7c7b0c9e40738214b92c22e@i2pn2.org> <va4nl9$3s0hu$4@dont-email.me> <va79ku$e616$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:23:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="62a25b741157347252c8096938b61d22"; logging-data="470448"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18XLpPwOnaAfNur6jjL+/NW" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:j/SSYNgwo0wXpyKARP6g606C7Go= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <va79ku$e616$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4109 On 8/22/2024 7:06 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-21 12:47:37 +0000, olcott said: > >> >> Formal systems kind of sort of has some vague idea of what True >> means. Tarski "proved" that there is no True(L,x) that can be >> consistently defined. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >> Tarski%27s_undefinability_theorem#General_form >> >> *The defined predicate True(L,x) fixed that* >> Unless expression x has a connection (through a sequence >> of true preserving operations) in system F to its semantic >> meanings expressed in language L of F then x is simply >> untrue in F. >> >> Whenever there is no sequence of truth preserving from >> x or ~x to its meaning in L of F then x has no truth-maker >> in F and x not a truth-bearer in F. We never get to x is >> undecidable in F. > > Tarski proved that True is undefineable in certain formal systems. > Your definition is not expressible in F, at least not as a definition. > Like ZFC redefined the foundation of all sets I redefine the foundation of all formal systems. > A problem with your method is that it is ofen not known whether there > is a sequence of truth-preserving transformations in F and there is > no method to find out. > Try to show a concrete example of that where self-contradictory expressions are not needed. > Your definition also requires truth-preserving is defined without > reference to truth. Is there any such definiton? > Because it establishes the notion of truth. Truth is what my foundational axiom says that it is. Truth is the connection from an expression of language to its stipulative meaning. Many of the conventional logic operations are truth preserving, some are not. After the architecture of my system is understood and accepted then we do these further elaborations. This is all aspects of my categorically exhaustively complete system of reasoning. Work on the broadest category first and then progressively narrow to smaller categories. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer