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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 08:36:33 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <va7et1$ebdg$6@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <d42e5d30ea5f1c067283cb04d8a7293e2117188e@i2pn2.org> <va24hl$3cvgv$1@dont-email.me> <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me> <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org> <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me> <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org> <va6b4n$7boc$1@dont-email.me> <b19eb2a29dacfa67f2f9ced0d03234e980f4c985@i2pn2.org> <va6edj$8f0p$1@dont-email.me> <va6s5i$c9tl$1@dont-email.me> <va7cof$ebdg$1@dont-email.me> <e12d5d2caec39f6964f567343dad8333a92970fe@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="62a25b741157347252c8096938b61d22"; logging-data="470448"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/fpUXAVKWWZ1IBKIFAIboe" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:5zP2SB2y/u68ZMT3tViFYUpTR70= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <e12d5d2caec39f6964f567343dad8333a92970fe@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4108 On 8/22/2024 8:21 AM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 07:59:59 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 8/22/2024 3:16 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 22.aug.2024 om 06:22 schreef olcott: >> >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until >> H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop >> running unless aborted then >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> >> We swap the word "determines" for "predicts" >> When we swap thew word "halt decider" for "termination analyzer" the >> above is translated from computer science into software engineering. >> The second half proves that this is the H that aborts that is making the >> prediction of the behavior of D when emulated by a hypothetical version >> of itself then never aborts. > >>>> THIS EXACTLY MATCHES THE SIPSER APPROVED CRITERIA The finite HHH(DDD) >>>> emulates itself emulating DDD exactly once and this is sufficient for >>>> this HHH to predict what a different HHH(DDD) do that never aborted >>>> its emulation of its input. >>> But that different hypothetical HHH is a non-input. >> HHH is supposed to predict what the behavior of DDD would be if it did >> not abort its emulation of DDD that is what the words that Professor >> agreed to mean. > If IT didn’t abort DDD calling its aborting self. > I don't know how you twist words to get that. HHH is required to predict the behavior of DDD as if every HHH had its abort code removed. >>> Do you still not understand that HHH should predict the behaviour of >>> its input? Why does the HHH have an input, if it is correct to predict >>> the behaviour of a non-input? >>> Are you still cheating with the Root variable to change the input in a >>> non-input? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer