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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:46:49 -0400
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On 8/21/2024 11:27 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <va68qr$6u1l$1@dont-email.me>,
> Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2024 6:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 8/21/2024 12:21 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:18:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
>>>>> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/19/24 23:54, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:29:21 -0700, Paul S Person
>>>>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which ones?  The usual suspects have accused every Republican
>>>>>>>>> president since Eisenhower of being a Nazi.  (Except Ford, for
>>>>>>>>> some reason; him, they just tried to assassinate.  Twice.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tried and, as with Reagan and Trump failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Ike ever get accused of being a Nazi? Seems his activities 1942-45
>>>>>>> should have forever inoculated him against that particular canard.
>>>>>>> Ditto Truman, JFK and Nixon all of whom served in combat. (Well Truman
>>>>>>> was a WW1 artilleryman)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Democrat Truman was never accused of dictatorial tendencies.
>>>>>> He could threaten violence for bad reviews of his daughter Margaret.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Republican Eisenhower was only fascist toward gays and Communists
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Democrat JFK was left in pain from his wartime injuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Lyndon Baines Johnson served like Nixon in the USN which
>>>>>> allowed him a lot of time in Hollywood getting lessons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Republican Nixon only technically served in Combat but did
>>>>>> work important to the War Effort. He succumbed to the idea of power
>>>>>> as the president which lead to Watergate and his resignation.
>>>>>> But for wartime
>>>>>>
>> <https://thepurcellchronicles.blogspot.com/2017/05/commander-richard-m-nixon-and-world-war.html>
>>>>>> 	No one ever called these men NAZIs except maybe extreme pacifists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	Same for Republican Gerald Ford. Saved by a Gay man from
>>>>>> assassination.  Gay Man's life was ruined by the publicity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	and Democrat Jimmy Carter, victim of Republican chicanery.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it is true that Bush I cut a deal with Iran to not free the
>>>>> hostages until Reagan was elected, then for "chicanery" we should read
>>>>> "treason".
>>>>
>>>> Deals have two sides. What quid pro quo did Bush offer?
>>>>
>>>> I've always been under the impression that it was just
>>>> Iran giving Clinton a final 'fuck you in particular'.
>>>> I know there is an 'October Surprise' theory, but again,
>>>> what did Iran get out of it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think you two are talking different Bush Eras.   It's not
>>> difficult to believe that someone in Reagan's orbit influenced
>>> the Iranians in order to smooth the path to a Reagan presidency.
>>> Especially when one considers the subsequent Iran-Contra affair.
>>>
>>> As for Ms. Clinton, the GOP has been attacking her personally
>>> and continuously since 1992, trying pretty much every dirty
>>> politcal trick in the book.
>>
>>
>> Um, no. Paul S claimed that Bush I cut a deal with Iran.
>> The Clinton I referred to was Bill Clinton, who was president
>> during the Iran Hostage crisis. The final group of hostages
>> was released Jan 20, 1981, mere hours after Clinton had
>> handed over power to Reagan.
>>
>> Bush I was a private citizen during Clinton's presidency,
>> and could not legally engage in diplomacy.
> 
> I believe you may have confused Bill Clinton (POTUS 1993 - 2000)
> Jimmy Carter (POTUS 1977 to 1980).

Mea Culpa!

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