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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:47:16 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 102 Message-ID: <va7q2k$gkmu$3@dont-email.me> References: <v90pgc$3clah$1@dont-email.me> <jtmhbj9orggi70sh6289gqp4r1d1fj5is6@4ax.com> <v9g04g$3v26h$1@dont-email.me> <t1kpbjp3p5sf25daro2vph7in7vg211mgt@4ax.com> <v9iv43$iig5$1@dont-email.me> <3sasbj98eu1j1s954e1vnbshkht3uiu84j@4ax.com> <n9f8cjpecn8bbj4rtsdplp5hs2fptpkl36@4ax.com> <72668a2c-44e6-4ab5-a0b8-217574483c03@mouse-potato.com> <9n4ccjp64j2mfdv0g0l19ro64str1lo6g1@4ax.com> <va5f00$3vk4h$2@dont-email.me> <TBtxO.67579$07Gb.31965@fx02.iad> <va68qr$6u1l$1@dont-email.me> <va6but$79q5$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="78c08d4f5c72898ed2c93c15c86114c5"; logging-data="545502"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19G7A/wHyierUzsVILfSmYPCwdK+eck4FY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:XItIW9ZWYVO1e6vLvVXueuh6HKE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <va6but$79q5$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 5874 On 8/21/2024 11:40 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > On 8/21/24 19:46, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> On 8/21/2024 6:10 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes: >>>> On 8/21/2024 12:21 PM, Paul S Person wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:18:51 -0700, Bobbie Sellers >>>>> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/19/24 23:54, The Horny Goat wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:29:21 -0700, Paul S Person >>>>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which ones? The usual suspects have accused every Republican >>>>>>>>> president since Eisenhower of being a Nazi. (Except Ford, for >>>>>>>>> some reason; him, they just tried to assassinate. Twice.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tried and, as with Reagan and Trump failed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did Ike ever get accused of being a Nazi? Seems his activities >>>>>>> 1942-45 >>>>>>> should have forever inoculated him against that particular canard. >>>>>>> Ditto Truman, JFK and Nixon all of whom served in combat. (Well >>>>>>> Truman >>>>>>> was a WW1 artilleryman) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Democrat Truman was never accused of dictatorial tendencies. >>>>>> He could threaten violence for bad reviews of his daughter Margaret. >>>>>> >>>>>> Republican Eisenhower was only fascist toward gays and Communists >>>>>> >>>>>> Democrat JFK was left in pain from his wartime injuries. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lyndon Baines Johnson served like Nixon in the USN which >>>>>> allowed him a lot of time in Hollywood getting lessons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Republican Nixon only technically served in Combat but did >>>>>> work important to the War Effort. He succumbed to the idea of power >>>>>> as the president which lead to Watergate and his resignation. >>>>>> But for wartime >>>>>> <https://thepurcellchronicles.blogspot.com/2017/05/commander- >>>>>> richard-m-nixon-and-world-war.html> >>>>>> No one ever called these men NAZIs except maybe extreme >>>>>> pacifists. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same for Republican Gerald Ford. Saved by a Gay man from >>>>>> assassination. Gay Man's life was ruined by the publicity. >>>>>> >>>>>> and Democrat Jimmy Carter, victim of Republican chicanery. >>>>> >>>>> If it is true that Bush I cut a deal with Iran to not free the >>>>> hostages until Reagan was elected, then for "chicanery" we should read >>>>> "treason". >>>> >>>> Deals have two sides. What quid pro quo did Bush offer? >>>> >>>> I've always been under the impression that it was just >>>> Iran giving Clinton a final 'fuck you in particular'. >>>> I know there is an 'October Surprise' theory, but again, >>>> what did Iran get out of it? >>>> >>> >>> I think you two are talking different Bush Eras. It's not >>> difficult to believe that someone in Reagan's orbit influenced >>> the Iranians in order to smooth the path to a Reagan presidency. >>> Especially when one considers the subsequent Iran-Contra affair. >>> >>> As for Ms. Clinton, the GOP has been attacking her personally >>> and continuously since 1992, trying pretty much every dirty >>> politcal trick in the book. >> >> >> Um, no. Paul S claimed that Bush I cut a deal with Iran. >> The Clinton I referred to was Bill Clinton, who was president >> during the Iran Hostage crisis. The final group of hostages >> was released Jan 20, 1981, mere hours after Clinton had >> handed over power to Reagan. >> >> Bush I was a private citizen during Clinton's presidency, >> and could not legally engage in diplomacy. >> >> pt > You have flunked your history exam! > Clinton came after Bush I and before Bush II > Reagan was before Clinton. > Go to Wiki and learn recent USA History and even older history. > It was Bush I who was Reagan's VP and former CIA leader. > If anyone dealt with Iran it was he because while Ronnie might > approve, the rule is do the deed then ask for forgiveness, not > to wait from Permission from someone who will hold the highest > office in the Executive. > I was a private citizen too but I paid attention > and voted as often as legal. Reagan was an Republican Ahole > and among other idiocy ended childcare for single women > who were working for a living. > > bliss > Mea Culpa. pt