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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Lee Spetner has passed away.
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:11:48 -0500
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On 8/22/2024 2:47 PM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 14:19:56 -0500
> RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/22/2024 10:27 AM, erik simpson wrote:
>>> On 8/22/24 6:35 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> https://evolutionnews.org/2024/08/lee-spetners-nonrandom-evolutionary-hypothesis/
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Spetner
>>>>
>>
> []
>>
>> He came to TO attention in the late 1990's when scientific creationism
>> was still the major topic on TO.  He was some type of MIT
>> engineer/physicist that conformed to the Salem hypothesis.  He probably
>> understood that scientific creationism was bogus, but he could not give
>> up on the denial.  Wiki claims that he believed in directed evolution,
>> but I just recall denial that biological evolution could not be
>> accounted for by natural mechanisms.  It sounds like his views were
>> probably similar to Denton's and Behe's before Denton started spouting
>> his Diestic beliefs around the turn of the century.  As I noted, his
>> last book in 2014 passed without much notice here on TO.
>>
> 
> You're still fighting this old battle; but there doesn't seem to be anyone
> here arguing /for/ 'scientific creationism' or ID.
> 
> 

There is no fighting old battles.  The ID perps shot themselves in the 
head back in 2017 and pretty much ended viable discussion about the ID 
scam on TO.  Most of the then posting IDiots quit supporting the ID scam 
back then.  ID was just kept stumbling along in zombie mode by Nyiko, 
Glenn and to a lesser extent Dean.  All that I am doing is updating TO 
on the current state of the ID scam, and what they consider to be news. 
There hasn't been any legitimate support for the ID scam on TO for well 
over half a decade, but the ID perps are still selling ID as bait for 
their current public school bait and switch Wedge strategy.  West 
Virginia just got their teach ID scam Act signed by their Governor, and 
they obviously do not know what they can teach about ID because the ID 
perps have told them not to teach any of the junk and go with the 
obfuscation and denial switch scam that the ID perps tell them has 
nothing to do with intelligent design.  So there isn't much to discuss 
except what the current state of the ID scam is, and historical junk 
that seems to be forgotten.

About all we have to discuss on the topic are historical reviews.  The 
ID perps have been the most effective deterrent for teaching creationism 
in the public schools since they started running the bait and switch on 
hapless rubes that believed them over 2 decades ago.  They fouled up in 
Dover and didn't follow up when they ran the bait and switch on the 
Dover rubes, and they seemed to have been asleep at the switch with West 
Virginia because it looks like they never replace the ID perp who's job 
it was to make sure that the bait and switch went down after she ran the 
previous scam on the Utah rubes back in 2017.  She left the Discovery 
Institute, and her position is no longer listed on their web site, at 
least it wasn't listed when I checked after the West Virginia stupidity 
broke into the news.

Ron Okimoto