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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 04:49:19 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 254 Message-ID: <va9ieg$rpi8$1@dont-email.me> References: <nns5cjhvfa23vbjhongnv94u0bs1ags6tl@4ax.com> <gj06cj1kimofmc8u9kt250diqmchn1pf2d@4ax.com> <v9voo7$2tip9$4@dont-email.me> <omp6cj9hm1c9bh8l5a9dee0ps37siiqoa0@4ax.com> <bhn7cjldbqvv58f67m3pbo1fcvjdbphser@4ax.com> <va0tks$3793q$4@dont-email.me> <s3o8cjdesesc2mgr60t2t9rdjqrv12m2l8@4ax.com> <tnq8cjd26q686281q3kmkmbok4gkj9u2j7@4ax.com> <va23o0$3chus$3@dont-email.me> <nndacjl6o7eljdqirb8qa8i281pjq66ipu@4ax.com> <va3dte$3ita9$1@dont-email.me> <va3h6p$3j0kg$5@dont-email.me> <ugbbcj5olk5b939d5020ah5ld3m6hsb4tv@4ax.com> <va4be9$3qdaj$1@dont-email.me> <va4qgf$3s780$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 10:49:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e88291b58608554e890d5741ef5bbe97"; logging-data="910920"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19jWS09AjWl4uCSx/1EblQd5DgqI7NTYv4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:AhDI9ua5Qs/4pwMp0VVErtON6QY= In-Reply-To: <va4qgf$3s780$7@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 12206 On 8/21/2024 9:36 AM, AMuzi wrote: > On 8/21/2024 4:19 AM, zen cycle wrote: >> On 8/21/2024 5:07 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 21:51:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/20/2024 8:55 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>> On 8/20/2024 7:41 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 07:55:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/20/2024 6:09 AM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 05:23:32 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 22:05:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/19/2024 8:50 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:46:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:35:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/19/2024 6:27 AM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 03:42:14 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 20:41:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:38:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2024 11:37 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But as I've mentioned a number of times my family has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had guns for at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least 4 generations, as close as I can calculate 300 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years or so, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never shot anyone. Why does Frankie want to penalize us? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My bet is that your family had guns for hunting and pest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control. My bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also that your family never owned a gun that could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say, six rounds in a minute. After all, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essentially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useless for almost all hunting. But it is "useful" if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intend to kill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a roomful of kids, or church attendees. That is the gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> style's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant detriment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you _should_ be able to remember, I'm firmly in favor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hunting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's nonsense. My dad's old Winchester model 69 (1930s) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had an eight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> round mag. My Colt Woodsman had a ten round mag. That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't count the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one in the pipe. Counting that, put all the Wichester >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 94s at 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know those guns exist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No you don't. You never heard of them until I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm betting John's family didn't have them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You obviously have no idea how many hunters have had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winchester 94. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had one years ago. The one I had was a carbine and only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 6 rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mag. The model 94 rifle produced today has an 8 rd mag. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 94 stands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 1894, by the way. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while I may be wrong, it's certain that the earliest family >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bragged about did not have them, but probably still hunted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A competent hunter doesn't need even six quick shots. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> As if you'd know anything about competent hunting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really can't figure where Frankie is gets his ideas and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume that like Tom, just makes then up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Above he writes, "also that your family never owned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a gun >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire more than, say, six rounds in a minute." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I've said a number of times my father had a hunting rifle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Springfield army rifle base. 5 round magazine and one up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spout >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 6 and I could, with no problems at all fire 6 rounds in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minute >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if you want to talk about pistols I'm sure that you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colt Woodman even faster. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could probably get all 11 rds off in a couple of seconds, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I ever tried. Walking through the gardens, >>>>>>>>>>>> pastures and >>>>>>>>>>>> cornfields shooting gophers, it was handy not having to stop >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> reload. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, John! First, please note that I said "MORE than 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> minute." You gave _one_ example of _one_ gun your father had, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but it did >>>>>>>>>>>>> not shoot _more_ than 6 in a minute. So, thanks for confirming >>>>>>>>>>>>> my guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And as I said, that capability is essentially useless for >>>>>>>>>>>>> hunting. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> betting you (or your father) never blasted six quick shots at >>>>>>>>>>>>> an animal >>>>>>>>>>>>> while hunting with that rifle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Krygowski dishonest strawman alert. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, of course, tell us some of your hunting tales, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> let us >>>>>>>>>>>>> know details of how you actually _used_ those guns. But I >>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect you >>>>>>>>>>>>> won't, because they'll describe one or two careful shots, >>>>>>>>>>>>> not a >>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid >>>>>>>>>>>>> blast of shooting. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another Krygowski dishonest strawman alert. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that Frankie says "You gave _one_ example of _one_ gun your >>>>>>>>>>> father had, but it did not shoot _more_ than 6 in a minute." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> While I actually wrote, "I could, with no problems at all fire 6 >>>>>>>>>>> rounds in a minute". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Do you not understand the meaning of "more than"? >>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> the phrase I used. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And then he goes on to ignore the British army reference... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because I was talking about the guns _your family_ owned. How can >>>>>>>>>> you be >>>>>>>>>> so confused about the matter under discussion? And again, >>>>>>>>>> firing that >>>>>>>>>> many rounds that fast is useless in any normal hunting situation. >>>>>>>>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========