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From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: About WiFi7
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:09:05 -0400
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"Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message news:vab3qa$12s47$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/23/2024 12:54 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>> "Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message news:vaao50$112hi$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 8/23/2024 9:32 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>> Someone else mentioned cars. I prefer to keep my car off wifi. No need for the car to use it.
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/texas_sues_general_motors/
>>>
>>> *I* mentioned cars.  And, I use WiFi only to connect the car to the automation
>>> system in the house.  So, if the garage door is inhibited from opening to
>>> allow the driver access, the driver can view a live image of the interior
>>> of the garage to see WHY the door is not being allowed to open (someone
>>> working in the garage, power failure, stuff in the path of the vehicle,
>>> pets wandering around, etc.)
>>
>> I'd put a camera in the garage for that. PoE Wired.
>
> Have several tied into the opener.  Is anyone working on a ladder ABOVE
> the door rails?  Is anything in the path of the car?  Is anything moving
> around (animals, kids) inside the closed garage?  etc.   Use this information
> BEFORE allowing the door opener to be actuated.
>
> But, how do you let the *driver* "see" the "situation" inside the closed
> garage as he approaches the residence?

Telepathy? Why does it matter? If my garage door didn't open I'd park outside the garage and then investigate why.

>  Do you require him to use his
> phone to view that video?  How (in)convenient is THAT?!

I don't care much for phones but can't deny they have their uses.

>
>>> Would you, instead, like that to be conveyed to your ISP via your access point,
>>> over-the-air to your cell phone -- which you will have to access in order to
>>> "see" the scene?  All those third-parties on which you will rely?
>>
>> What does my ISP have to do with packets traveling between devices on my LAN??
>
> Do you have a long cord connecting your LAN to the car as it approaches from
> down the street?

Why would anyone need to see inside their garage as they approach from down the street??

>
>> I don't and won't use cameras which bounce off the manufacturer's servers outside my LAN.
>>
>>> Why not use all those LCD screens already in place in the car (and, have that
>>> happen automatically when you engage the garage door opener)?
>>>
>>> There's nothing you can do to keep your car from "tattling" to the dealership,
>>> manufacturer, credit bureau, etc.  I've often wondered if it would throw a fit
>>> if you, e.g., shorted it;s antenna!
>>
>> What specific antenna or data communication means are you referring to?
>
> Most modern cars talk to the dealerships/manufacturers.

Sure but is that by WiFi, bluetooth, or direct connection or does that depend on the car?
If the location which does my oil change is uploading my driving habits to the car manufacturer then I would certainly like to know 
about that.

> Ever wonder how MY
> dealership knows not to pester me for a 5000 mile service after the typical
> 3-4 months that most folks would encounter -- instead, waiting for a full
> year to tickle me with a USPS "coupon" for a discount on that service?
> *Who* is telling him about my driving habits?  Who is telling LexisNexis about
> your driving habits?
>
> I tell the guy who does my routine maintenance NOT to reset the service
> indicator at his facility but, instead, to let ME do it "wherever I want"
> (as the location data captured at that event would be valuable to the
> dealership/manufacturer:  "Where is he getting his service as it has
> NOT been from the dealer!??")
>
>