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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Politics OT-Re: Books Banned in Utah.
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:11:16 -0400
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Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 16:57:51 -0400, William Hyde
> <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 14:32:41 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
>>> <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snippo>
>>>
>>>>> Back in the 80's, my mother (a knee-jerk Republican: mention "Kennedy"
>>>>> and her right knee would jerk and she'd say "Chappaquiddick") confided
>>>>> in me that the only reason FDR served four terms was because the Dems
>>>>> had /suspended the two term limit/ so he could do so. The reality, of
>>>>> course, is that the two-term limit came later, mostly to prevent a
>>>>> recurrence of a four-term Presidency.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before about the Republican Party: the rot runs deep,
>>>>> very deep indeed.
>>>>
>>>> 	I think I have covered that.
>>>>
>>>> 	But the Democratic Party was racist until Kennedy Time.
>>>> He was the only president I ever bothered to gaze upon in
>>>> San Diego not long before I got kicked out and he got murdered.
>>>> My friends in Sacramento were absolutely destroyed by the
>>>> assassination but I was too intent on surviving with a UD. And
>>>> so once more I was out of step with the mood of the time. I
>>>> am really good at that.
>>>
>>> The Southern Democrats ("Dixiecrats") were. How badly that tinged the
>>> rest of the party I have no idea.
>>
>>
>> As Caro describes it in "Master of the Senate" the Southern Democratic
>> Caucus was segregationist, with (IIRC) twenty two votes, with at the
>> time two southern democratic senators being against segregation.
>>
>> That was not enough to avoid cloture of a filibuster.  But they cut a
>> deal with western (but not west coast) republicans.  In return for
>> southern support of federal funding for western infrastructure, the
>> western and midwest republican senators would not support a cloture
>> vote, thus giving the south the power to filibuster anything.
>>
>> It was this alliance that killed, e.g. the original 1957 civil rights
>> bill, though it was supported by east and west coast republicans,
>> northern democrats, by Eisenhower and Nixon.
>>
>> Humphrey, Jackson, and other liberal senators were glad to get something
>> called "civil rights" passed, and LBJ needed it for his presidential
>> ambitions, but in actual fact the act achieved nothing.
> 
> Actually, I read an article (how long ago and in what source I do not
> know) that LBJ fought to get the provisions on voting tried in
> /Federal/ courts rather than /State/ courts. The jury pools were
> different, and the Federal juries were less likely to side with the
> accused when African-American voters were being suppressed.
> 
> IOW, he (and others) ensured that the law had some /teeth/.

LBJ was in a tough situation.  He owed everything, even his senate seat, 
to deeply conservative democrats.  He had the strong support of the 
segregationist caucus.  To be president he needed some liberal 
credentials, and this bill was a major part of that.  But 90% of the 
original bill had to be discarded to gain the acquiescence of the 
southern democratic caucus.

It failed, though.  Liberals and moderates did not take to him.  He 
never understood that when you destroy people as he did Leland Olds, for 
example, other people actually remember. So he had zero chance of the 
nomination in 1960.

Caro was not able to find a record of any prosecutions under this law. 
Certainly there weren't many.


William Hyde