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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Article on new mainframe use Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 07:13:53 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vac17h$1ab6s$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9iqko$h7vd$1@dont-email.me> <bb873f7f6a14f222f73abacd698e60eb@www.novabbs.org> <3f8sbj9chugcr6arbpck2t7nb0g87ff6ik@4ax.com> <f7fe11f84f9342f0a7e27d4a729aadad@www.novabbs.org> <li71t8Fs9jnU1@mid.individual.net> <v9mc57$15mm9$2@dont-email.me> <kmvubjdn7ub4bkgfhpj89c5vsl37vpp16d@4ax.com> <va88rq$ioap$1@dont-email.me> <va8sji$otgt$5@dont-email.me> <va9dt6$r72m$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:13:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e2f4eb43bfe25ed64710f73e8414c83e"; logging-data="1387740"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18hDa4K3J8Fx9ajsqywskKt" User-Agent: Pan/0.159 (Vovchansk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gbSh5cYjG/uq2PTIya6PdQrGNgg= Bytes: 2688 On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 02:31:46 -0500, BGB wrote: > On 8/22/2024 9:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:59:34 -0500, BGB wrote: >> >>> Underused: It is a sensible way of structuring data, but needing to >>> interface with it though SQL strings is awkward and inefficient. >> >> Actually, that works fine in any language with decent string handling. >> > String processing adds bulk and inefficiency. > Granted, maybe not enough to matter in the face of a typical database > query. Remember what Knuth (or maybe it was Hoare) said: “Premature optimization is the root of all evil”. String processing has to be in the language for other reasons (think: composing messages and processing input when interacting with a human user), why not use it for this? Also, it is quite common now to use text-based protocols for networks (e.g. messages in JSON format). That may sound inefficient, but it eases debugging so much, that has become a major consideration. > But, I was left thinking, some programs use SQLite, which exists as a > single giant C file. I guess it technically works, but has the downside > of adding something like IIRC around 900K or so to the size of the > binaries' ".text" section. SQLite is so resource-light, it’s the world’s most popular DBMS. You almost certainly have a copy literally at your fingertips right now, in your mobile phone.