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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: A large colonial choanoflagellate from Mono Lake harbors live bacteria Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:32:17 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vacnd1$1dhh6$1@dont-email.me> References: <c88a0716-0926-4b06-8595-8a24a201569e@gmail.com> <vacalk$1bm7e$1@dont-email.me> <vacejh$1c5p7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="46773"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:LT2BUS46eFrGrrNyW2tPmsONOAk= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1EA0522986F; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:32:23 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0761D22978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) id 3CBCB5DC29; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BAD85DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:32:21 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95CF85F83F for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/95CF85F83F; dmarc=fail (p=reject dis=none) header.from=yahoo.com id 33546DC01A9; Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:32:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:32:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19vqQEJlzQ45CvzIx2Aym9fp4Slwgnq3hYOr+43LZRJjA== FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4791 On 2024-08-24 11:02:10 +0000, Ernest Major said: > On 24/08/2024 10:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >> On 2024-08-23 19:59:29 +0000, erik simpson said: >> >>> https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.01623-24 >>> >>> ABSTRACT >>> As the closest living relatives of animals, choanoflagellates offer >>> insights into the ancestry of animal cell physiology. Here, we report >>> the isolation and characterization of a colonial choanoflagellate from >>> Mono Lake, California. The choanoflagellate forms large spherical >>> colonies that are an order of magnitude larger >> >> by volume, by surface area, by diameter? It makes a huge difference. > > It's open access. Maybe, but are you seriously suggesting that we need to go to a page on the web to find out how to correct a major omission in what you wrote? > S. rosetta colonies are 10-15 micrometers in diameter. B. monosierra > colonies are 10-120 micrometers in diameter. The respective modes are > 12 and 26 micrometers in diameter. So the maximum is an order of > magnitude larger in diameter, and the mode an order of magnitude larger > in volume. The caption to figure 1F applies order of magnitude to the > diameter, in which case the abstract should have included the words "up > to". >> >>> than those formed by the closely related choanoflagellate Salpingoeca >>> rosetta. In cultures maintained in the laboratory, the lumen of the >>> spherical colony is filled with a branched network of extracellular >>> matrix and colonized by bacteria, including diverse Gammaproteobacteria >>> and Alphaproteobacteria. We propose to erect Barroeca monosierra gen. >>> nov., sp. nov. Hake, Burkhardt, Richter, and King to accommodate this >>> extremophile choanoflagellate. The physical association between >>> bacteria and B. monosierra in culture presents a new experimental model >>> for investigating interactions among bacteria and eukaryotes. Future >>> work will investigate the nature of these interactions in wild >>> populations and the mechanisms underpinning the colonization of B. >>> monosierra spheres by bacteria. -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly in England until 1987.