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From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: About WiFi7
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:44:36 -0400
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"Don Y" <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in message news:vad8t7$1g6q4$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/24/2024 9:02 AM, Edward Rawde wrote:
>>>>>>> They don't have to.  The CAR does it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By what means? Please describe the specific communication channel the car is using when it uploads my driving habits to the
>>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask your car *manufacturer* what bands they use.
>>>>
>>>> Is this the secret car communication network I'm not aware of?
>>>> I think maybe I'll just park my car in a Faraday cage.
>>>
>>> You must have an old (or cheap) car.
>>
>>> Most modern cars "talk" to their makers.
>>
>> So you keep saying but you never specify how.
>
> Why do *I* have to figure it out

You don't. Like I said it's ok if you don't know.

> -- are you too lazy to find an answer to
> your own question?
>
> READ the article you posted.  Or, any of the other articles about folks
> being "profiled" for higher car insurance premiums because their
> driving habits were made available to LexisNexis (by GM).
>
> Ask yourself how GM got that information.
>
> Ask yourself how your car "knows" what the current traffic conditions
> are like.  Do you think they have a special set of satellites flying
> to visually track traffic flow?  or,m do you think the cars already
> on the road -- knowing exactly WHERE they are and their current
> speed -- are collaborating with <someone> to produce a live map of
> traffic conditions (that can then be sold -- as a service -- to
> those verysame folks as subscribers)
>
> Buy a Workshop Manual and dig through the vague module descriptions
> moving backwards from the antennae and see what you find.
> REMOVE those module(s) and see if your car keeps tattling.
>
> Or, *running*!
>
>> GPS is down only (no return path) so my car is not using GPS to talk to anyone but it could obviously send its location by other
>> means.
>> WiFi almost always needs a password or a captive portal agreement
>> but when the car is in for service it would be possible for the service location to connect it to WiFi.
>> Bluetooth is short range so it isn't talking to the makers.
>> That leaves cell tower communication.
>>
>> If my car is using cell tower access to talk to its maker without me knowing then I want to know about that.
>> Some cars do use cell tower communication, for example leased vehicles where the leasing company wants to track the car,
>> but that would be in the leasing contract and only works where there are cell towers.
>>
>> Which if the above methods is the car using to talk to its maker?
>> And when is it using that method? On the move or in service or at home or other?
>> Does the car store information about my use of the car for later transmission to its maker?
>>
>> If you would be kind enough to answer in one paragraph instead of writing five paragraphs about something unrelated then I'm
>> interested.
>>
>> It's fine if you don't know the answers. It's the kind of thing I would ask for, in writing, when I buy a new car.
>>
>> A quick look at my firewall log this morning shows that only
>> https://www.abuseipdb.com/check-block/71.6.134.0/24
>> is worth adding to my blacklist file.
>> That took all of 30 seconds.
>>
>> I can now do some real work (from anywhere).
>>
>> Currently I'm trying to put together an LTSpice simulation of the circuit on the second to last page of the LTC4267 data sheet.
>> I'm having difficulty with models for TLV431 and PS2911
>> Does anyone know any such models or equivalent devices which have models?
>>
>>> I can "get help" or ask for specific directions to a location
>>> not present in my GPS's database by simply pushing a button.
>>>
>>> I suspect electric vehicles are even bigger "tattlers" -- esp with their
>>> software update needs...
>>
>> Yes that could become a problem.
>> I can't wait for "Car is installing updates. You will wait."
>> So perhaps I'd prefer a Linux car.
>>
>> Happy retirement and good luck with the electric car in winter.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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