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On 8/23/24 08:58, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:08:02 -0700, BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/22/24 23:48, Mad Hamish wrote:
>>
>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>>>> 	He won the Electoral College and Hillary Clinton won the
>>>> popular vote.
>>>>
>>> Who landed on the moon first in your timeline?
>>> Because in this one he won the 2016 election against Hilary Clinton
>>> but lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden.
>>
>> The first statement was completely true. In 2016 Hillary won the popular
>> vote, but scum bucket won the Electoral College. In 2020 Biden won the
>> popular vote by an even larger margin than Hillary and the Electoral
>> College.
> 
> Hiller "won" the popular vote only by a plurality. To actually /win/ a
> race based on the popular vote she would have had to get a majority.

I don't believe this is true in most cases. For example, take a race for 
Governor of just about any state. Democrat candidate get 48%. Republican 
candidate gets 47%. Greens get 3%. The remaining 2% gets split among 
many fringe parties. The Democrat candidate will now be the Governor and 
there won't be a run off.

This was true in Kansas, Nevada, and Oregon in the 2022 elections. See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_gubernatorial_elections 
for the actual info.

However, in the Primary elections, many parties require that a candidate 
get a majority before being declared as the party's candidate.

> 
> IOW, if it were the popular vote that counted, 2016 would have seen a
> runoff election [1] exactly two choices: Hillary and Trump. The
> expectation being that one or the other would get more that 50% of the
> votes.

Only if that is how the election laws were written. I think it would be 
wildly impractical to hold multiple national elections.

> 
> [1] If you are wondering "when", since Jan 6 is pending, the answer I
> would suggest is: everything would move back two months. The election
> would be in September. The runoff, if needed, would be in November.
> The Party Convention and Primary dates would have to be adjusted as
> well.
> 
>> At this point, the Electoral College is the only vote that counts in the
>> race for President/Vice President.
> 
> That's been true since the beginning of the United States of America
> (as opposed, IIRC, to the earlier confederation).
> 
>> And Jules Verne landed on the moon first. Everyone knows that.
> 
> Well, Beford & Cavor did, anyway.
> 
>> [more stuff deleted for brevity]

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Dave Scruggs
Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I 
thinking?)