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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: DC relay latching voltage Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 23:22:01 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vaeiiv$1pk55$2@dont-email.me> References: <TDZxO.446835$_X0e.256076@fx14.ams1> <va9r2o$t1cr$1@dont-email.me> <dQ_xO.448110$_X0e.294367@fx14.ams1> <vaa6qa$u84s$1@dont-email.me> <vaaoq8$112hi$4@dont-email.me> <vabpmo$1995r$1@dont-email.me> <vabulh$19qc6$1@dont-email.me> <vaeduc$1ov6k$1@dont-email.me> <vaeih5$1pk55$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 08:22:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1534959f941676c8c3e17806a196eb1d"; logging-data="1888421"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18vqH5CjV+u7CqN/zJ+9lFK" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:OB4PFqoA0J/BESPRCe3LD8PdbzE= In-Reply-To: <vaeih5$1pk55$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2323 On 8/24/2024 11:21 PM, Don Y wrote: > On 8/24/2024 10:03 PM, John Robertson wrote: >> Good reading! It appears counterintuitive, but if I warp (!) my head around >> it I should be able to sort it out. > > Think about the extremes: > > - with NO diode or snuber, there is nothing to keep the magnetic > field intact when the switch opens. So, the spring force is the > sole actor in play, pulling the contacts open > - with a diode, some current continues to "recirculate" in the coil > thus keeping the magnetic field active -- so it is trying to hold > the relay closed while the spring is trying to open it. *When* > the recirculating current falls, the field collapses and the relay > can open. > > The zener lets the circuit look more like the "no diode" case. i.e., imagine that case as having an infinite voltage zener (open circuit) in series with the diode -- NO diode!