Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser --- trace of HHH on DDD input
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 07:32:06 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 50
Message-ID: <vaf886$1sf6p$2@dont-email.me>
References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me>
 <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org>
 <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me>
 <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org>
 <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me>
 <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me>
 <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org>
 <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me>
 <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org>
 <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me>
 <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org>
 <va6b4n$7boc$1@dont-email.me>
 <b19eb2a29dacfa67f2f9ced0d03234e980f4c985@i2pn2.org>
 <va6edj$8f0p$1@dont-email.me>
 <e20689d26c224e4923146d425843348539ce6065@i2pn2.org>
 <va7tb3$h3la$1@dont-email.me>
 <2c6dfb2e8cdafc17fd833599dfba3843f56a281a@i2pn2.org>
 <vaavkc$128hl$1@dont-email.me> <vac6ns$1atfd$1@dont-email.me>
 <vacmpa$1d5dd$1@dont-email.me>
 <57c86522e95be7746b2d2864b20d6cd129552990@i2pn2.org>
 <vacr3e$1e36g$1@dont-email.me> <vaddgl$1ghhg$2@dont-email.me>
 <vaensv$1qd66$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 14:32:06 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0a670d0b40a69b9795b0e80c20921477";
	logging-data="1981657"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/mmj1/wlkvVYRZvEvyvHY+"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:VaZ6/MJCwER5CuAQRJA9kmkqh/8=
In-Reply-To: <vaensv$1qd66$1@dont-email.me>
Content-Language: en-US
Bytes: 4167

On 8/25/2024 2:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-08-24 19:49:42 +0000, Fred. Zwarts said:
> 
>> Op 24.aug.2024 om 16:35 schreef olcott:
>>> On 8/24/2024 9:27 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:21:45 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 8/24/2024 3:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 23.aug.2024 om 23:40 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 8/23/2024 2:24 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:42:59 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only IF it will in fact keep repeating, which is not the case.
>>>>>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case*
>>>>>> It is the case only if you still cheat with the Root variable, which
>>>>>> makes that HHH processes a non-input, when it is requested to predict
>>>>>> the behaviour of the input.
>>>>> The fact is that it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating,
>>>>> thus *IT DOES* get the correct answer.
>>>
>>>> The simulated, aborting HHH would… abort.
>>>
>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>     stop running unless aborted then
>>>
>> Why repeating this over and over again if you do not understand the 
>> words?
>> Sipser agreed to 'If ... correctly simulates ... correctly 
>> determines ...'.
>> There is no correct simulation, there is no correct determination, so 
>> the remainder of the sentence does not apply.
>> Maybe you should read it a few more times, until you understand what 
>> 'if' means.
>> Maybe use a dictionary to learn the meaning of English words.
> 
> For certain words like "if" and "would" a grammar book might be better.
> 

"IF" AKA within the following assumed premises:
   {HHH emulates N instructions of DDD according to the
    semantics of the x86 language}

"UNTIL" (this condition is met)
{a preexisting correct non-halting behavior
  pattern has been matched by these N instructions}

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer