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From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:05:35 -0400
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On 8/27/2024 8:54 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2024-08-25, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>> On 8/23/2024 7:41 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:34:18 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>
>>>> UTF-8 in file names, in usernames, in logicals, in identifiers and in
>>>> programs/scripts: not really needed.
>>>
>>> I would say these are needed.
>>>
>>
>> I have to ask, why?
>>
>> All the objects mentioned by Arne are in simple terms 'tokens' to represent some
>> object.  I see no reason for the elements in such tokens to be more complex than
>> required.  Perhaps a bit more complex than the "A", "B", "C", etc of WEENDOZE
>> disk names.  But needing everything every user might dream up?  I don't see the
>> benefit.  Other than perhaps stubbornness and ego of some particular user.  It
>> just defies the KISS principal, which I find to be useful.
>>
>
> If I had said "that there was no need for UTF-8 because we will just have
> people use British English from now on", then how do you think that would
> have come across ?

Well, there are precedents ...

In the world of aviation, and that isn't such a small world, the standard is 
English.  If there is a pilot in the area that requests all communications are 
in English, then that is the rule, at least as I remember it.  That way everyone 
knows what everyone else is saying, and doing.

> Yet you have just done the same David. You have just said that if it is
> not used in US English then it is not important and the rest of the world
> should just learn to restrict itself to US ASCII characters in their use
> of filenames, etc.

The issue is not importance, the issues are reasonable benefits, and ease of usage.

For the data, sure, it can be very important to have whatever is required.  But 
for the tag/token representing the data, not at all.  Can you describe any 
situation where Ascii is not sufficient for a filename?  And then there is the 
issue of sorting.

> Contrary to what you Americans believe, the world is MUCH more than just
> a single country called the United States. A country that, due to its
> own failings and short sightedness, is no longer master of its own destiny.

Well, yeah, we came up with Trump, and that is a big mistake.  We also are 
claiming support of Isreal is "iron clad", and all that does is encourage them 
to take actions that they would not without that guarantee, and that is sooner 
or later going to get some US servicemen killed.  Possibly it is fear of the 
Jewish voters, who are US citizens and should be thinking about the US, not some 
other country, just because of religion, the worst thing that has happened to 
the human race.

We avoided Hitle, Nevill Chamberlain, and that list could be long.

Whoo, you really threw me on that soapbox, huh?

:-)

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