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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: New SETI search Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 09:39:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vakofe$315ad$1@dont-email.me> References: <vaj062$2kr3d$1@dont-email.me> <menqcj1270ta8rjtmasodqi5nkier8rnhl@4ax.com> <vaju6r$2sv5c$2@dont-email.me> <vakhlm$30112$1@dont-email.me> <dikrcjt3115dmeaog758mll3mth67o2ask@4ax.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="57856"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:DxsfLBEddLOckeChh0TCAaXiGHA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 00ACD22986F; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:39:44 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB93222978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:39:42 -0400 (EDT) id 09518872B4; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0ED07FC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:39:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net D0ED07FC26 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3C225F84A for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/E3C225F84A; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A8463DC01A9; Tue, 27 Aug 2024 16:39:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 16:39:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+wZDS/dTRn1DY6y2UE5NFgatNTJJ4xpVY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <dikrcjt3115dmeaog758mll3mth67o2ask@4ax.com> FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4315 On 8/27/2024 8:27 AM, El Kabong wrote: > RonO wrote: >> On 8/27/2024 2:11 AM, Ernest Major wrote: >>> On 27/08/2024 06:24, El Kabong wrote: >>>> Previous searches at Aricebo and other sites looked for >>>> alien signals at 1420 Mhz. They picked that frequency >>>> because it is a hydrogen line. The thinking is that >>>> aliens would more likely broadcast there than an >>>> arbitrary frequency. It never made sense to me because >>>> the signal will be attenuated by any hydrogen lying in >>>> the path, and because if you tune in to the hydrogen >>>> line, you'll find... hydrogen noise! >>> >>> The argument is that the 1420 MHz line is less arbitrary, and is not >>> absorbed by interstellar dust. > > Any radio signal is less absorbed by dust than optical > wavelengths. > > 1420 was probably a good pick, but it does have that > drawback. > >> If the aliens had broadcast at 1420 MHz what would be the frequency that >> we would detect in an expanding universe? I realize that some galaxies >> are moving towards us, but the red shift indicates that most things are >> getting further away from us in all directions due to the Big Bang. > > Any radio signal we receive will be redshifted. But we > are not looking for extragalactic signals, they would be > way too faint. We are looking for something here in our > own neighborhood of the Milky Way, around 10k lightyears > max. At that distance the redshift is measurable but > unimportant, even for a narrow-band receiver. This example is looking at other galaxies. Ron Okimoto >