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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2024 07:12:09 -0500
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On 8/28/2024 4:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 27.aug.2024 om 14:44 schreef olcott:
>> On 8/27/2024 3:38 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 04:33 schreef olcott:
>>>> This is intended to be a stand-alone post that does not
>>>> reference anything else mentioned in any other posts.
>>>>
>>>> void DDD()
>>>> {
>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>    return;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> When we assume that:
>>>> (a) HHH is an x86 emulator that is in the same memory space as DDD.
>>>> (b) HHH emulates DDD according to the semantics of the x86 language.
>>>>
>>>> then we can see that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly get past
>>>> its own machine address 0000217a.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, we see. In fact DDD is not needed at all.
>>
>> A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal 
>> fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under 
>> discussion...
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
> 
> Apparently you do not even understand the English that is used to 
> describe the straw man fallacy.
> Or are trying to distract the attention from the fact that DDD is not 
> needed is a simple truism, a tautology in your terms?
> 

When 100% of the whole point is for HHH to correctly determine
whether or not DDD would stop running if not aborted
*IT IS RIDICULOUSLY STUPID TO SAY THAT DDD IS NOT NEEDED*

Acting ridiculously stupid when on is not stupid at all
cannot be reasonably construed as anything besides a sadistic
head game.

>>
>>> In the following program
>>>
>>>         int main() {
>>>           return HHH(main);
>>>         }
>>>
>>> HHH cannot possibly simulate itself up to the end of itself. Still 
>>> HHH halts, which proves that there is an end. The only conclusion is, 
>>> that the simulation is incomplete and therefore incorrect.
>>> Further it is incorrect to think that the fact that the simulation 
>>> halts too soon is an indication for non-halting behaviour. The 
>>> analysis of that 'special condition' is the real problem, not the 
>>> partial incorrect simulation.
>>
>>


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