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Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki
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On 8/29/2024 2:26 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-08-29 01:16:08 +0000, RonO said:
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson
>>
>> Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson 
>> capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki.  There seems to be no valid 
>> reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had emailed 
>> the editor that made the edit to see what was going on.  I guess 
>> nothing has come of the request.
> 
> No. I had a back-and-forth discussion with the editor in question, 
> mainly consisting of me suggesting a wording that he would accept and 
> refrain from editing it back to what it was. He objected to all of 
> these, except the last, which he hasn't replied to. I thought I'd leave 
> it a month and then fix it.

If you do not get this guys buy in, can he just remove it again?  What 
were his reasons for removing a perfectly valid quote, and Johnson's 
admission about the ID scam when Johnson never retracted what he had said.

In the previous thread I note other people using the quote including Ken 
Miller in a public presentation, and I do not recall any blow back from 
Johnson.

>>
>> The quote actually brings closure to the entire wiki entry of which a 
>> major part is about Johnson's participation in the intelligent design 
>> creationist scam.
>>
>> There is absolutely no doubt that Phillip Johnson wanted ID taught in 
>> the public schools.  He had made it part of his Wedge strategy.  It 
>> was one of the 5 years goals listed in the Wedge document, but 20/20 
>> hindsight indicates that Johnson never fully understood the science, 
>> and did not understand that the ID perps never had any legitimate ID 
>> science worth teaching in the public schools.
>>
>> The Phillip Johnson wiki has the claim that Johnson did not understand 
>> scientific reasoning "In 1993 the ASA's Perspectives on Science and 
>> Christian Faith published a review of Darwin on Trial by Nancey 
>> Murphy, an associate professor of Christian philosophy at Fuller 
>> Theological Seminary, who described Johnson's arguments as "dogmatic 
>> and unconvincing", primarily because "he does not adequately 
>> understand scientific reasoning.""  Johnson had been convinced by the 
>> other ID perps that the ID science existed, and could be taught in the 
>> public schools.
>>
>> Johnson got others involved in the ID scam.  Most notably then Senator 
>> Santorum.  Johnson supposedly wrote the draft of the IDiotic 
>> "amendment" to the no child left behind legislation that was submitted 
>> by Santorum and ended up in the appendix of that legislation.  Both 
>> Santorum and Johnson claimed that the inclusion of the "amendment" 
>> supported teaching intelligent design in the public schools.
>>
>> By 2002 most of the other ID perps at the Discovery Institute likely 
>> understood that they had nothing worth teaching as ID science in the 
>> public schools, so when Ohio hit the fan and the ID perps were invited 
>> to give their dog and pony show to the Ohio State School board the ID 
>> perps decided to start running a bait and switch scam where they would 
>> just use ID as bait, but only give the rubes an obfuscation and denial 
>> swtich scam that the ID perps would tell the creationist rubes had 
>> nothing to do with ID.  It does not look like the ID perps bothered to 
>> inform Santorum and Johnson of what they planned to do because both 
>> Johnson and Santorum came out in support of teaching ID in the public 
>> schools in Ohio before the bait and switch went down.
>>
>> Johnson put up the Santorum editorial on his ARN blog as the bait and 
>> switch was going down in Ohio.  There is no reason why Johnson would 
>> hang Santorum, out to dry like that if he knew that the bait and 
>> switch scam was going to start to go down, and no reason for Santorum 
>> to have written the opinion piece if he knew that the bait and switch 
>> was going down.
>>
>> https://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm
>>
>> QUOTE:
>> "I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express
>> them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire
>> applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education
>> is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in the
>> classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's defense
>> of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to
>> prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to
>> students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence.
>>
>> Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert
>> "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching
>> standards.
>> END QUOTE:
>>
>> QUOTE:
>> At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No
>> Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education
>> provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may
>> generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum
>> should help students to understand the full range of scientific views
>> that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include intelligent
>> design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a
>> first-rate science education. Many will be left behind.
>>
>> Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from
>> Pennsylvania.
>>
>> Â© 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International
>> copyright secured.
>> File Date: 3.14.02
>> END QUOTE:
>>
>> So neither Santorum nor Johnson likely knew of the strategy shift for 
>> the ID scam.  After Ohio 2002 the ID perps only used the teach ID scam 
>> as bait, and never delivered any ID science to any creationist rubes 
>> that wanted to teach it.
>>
>> You could still download the teach ID scam booklet from a Discovery 
>> Institute web site when Dover hit the fan, but the bait and switch had 
>> gone down in every case for the previous 3 years after Ohio.
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20040921022045/http://www.discovery.org/ 
>> scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=58

As I noted this is the booklet that the ID perps used to give out with 
their Wedge video.  The booklet was published in 1999 and the link that 
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