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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 09:13:41 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vapvml$3vumk$6@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me> <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org> <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me> <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org> <va6b4n$7boc$1@dont-email.me> <b19eb2a29dacfa67f2f9ced0d03234e980f4c985@i2pn2.org> <va6edj$8f0p$1@dont-email.me> <vak2dd$2lg1o$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vakkha$30fkq$1@dont-email.me> <vamovj$3dl83$1@dont-email.me> <van3tu$3f6c0$4@dont-email.me> <van5gk$3fgd3$1@dont-email.me> <van67i$3foem$1@dont-email.me> <vap8cm$3stbh$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:13:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e678f999b18028d25fa9559cad82e90c"; logging-data="4192980"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YzWoR0dzBc8CUVxMNr5HI" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:msoCbN+prcKwPlr5Rldjz6/ehOE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vap8cm$3stbh$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3963 On 8/29/2024 2:35 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-28 12:46:42 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/28/2024 7:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:07 schreef olcott: >>>> On 8/28/2024 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 15:32 schreef olcott: >>>>>> >>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >>>>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >>>>>> until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never* >>>>>> *stop running unless aborted* then >>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >>>>>> >>>>>> HHH is only required to correctly predict whether or not DDD >>>>>> *would never stop running unless aborted* >>>>> And since DDD is calling an HHH that is programmed to detect the >>>>> 'special condition', so that it aborts and halts, DDD halts as well >>>>> and >>>> >>>> *THIS IS YOUR REASONING* >>>> If you are hungry and never eat you will remain hungry. >>>> You are hungry and eat becoming no longer hungry. >>>> *This proves that you never needed to eat* >>> >>> No, apparently, your understanding of logic English is very poor. >> >> HHH simulates DDD until it has inductive evidence that >> in the purely hypothetical case where a different HHH >> would never abort its emulation of DDD that DDD would >> never terminate normally. >> >> If we don't do it this way then infinite loops always halt. > > I would consider the infinite loops that always halt a more useful result. > A halt decider that always ignores its input and reports halting is more useful? A decider such as mine would prevent Denial Of Service (DOS) attacks. Permitting DOS attacks is less useful. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer