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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:35:38 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: <vaqevk$2kjk$1@dont-email.me> References: <v9q6eu$1tlm9$1@dont-email.me> <val4pj$332jq$1@dont-email.me> <PV2oATKbq9mjQDVMXlzvbvCPLMU@jntp> <vala23$33mgn$2@dont-email.me> <2hjjdokckxPswv9vzkiMV5N_680@jntp> <vanq5h$3irq8$1@dont-email.me> <KEAdeNaSGPhdUQc32DGS2HcmhqA@jntp> <vaplj0$3upoa$1@dont-email.me> <sFVsteOhJ9tQehdwjFNWQJawodY@jntp> <vaps3p$3va7q$2@dont-email.me> <hHYfFgkbdBvgZLrYH_0oYRVYtRo@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:34:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="52bc2e83545ad24ddd4955f55fa09d96"; logging-data="86644"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/4ze4i6+sGRek8Z7HqHSW0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:uEV69GFP62waMFq98cYzrXb3N8s= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <hHYfFgkbdBvgZLrYH_0oYRVYtRo@jntp> Bytes: 3310 Den 29.08.2024 15:36, skrev Richard Hachel: > Le 29/08/2024 à 15:12, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : >> Den 29.08.2024 13:53, skrev Richard Hachel: > >> >> But Richard Hachel claims that the proton moves 6933 times >> around the cycle while it moves once around the cycle! > > > I never said that. > > I said that the proton was moving 6933 times faster than our > local clocks based on M-type synchronization could record. I am sure a proton can move 6933 times faster than a clock, but that wasn't what you said. :-D This is what you said: Den 24.07.2024 00:19, skrev Richard Hachel: > > Don't tell me you don't understand that the proton rotates > 11.25 thousand times per second in the laboratory frame but > 78 million times per second in the proton frame. > > This is called time dilation. > In other words: | While the single proton rotates once in the laboratory frame, | the same single proton rotates 6933 times in the proton frame. | | This is called time dilation. This statement of yours prove that your 'theory' is inconsistent. (Or rather, it proves that you have no 'theory', but are babbling utter nonsense.) It is true that a proton in the LHC moves around the circuit ≈ 11.25 thousand times per second, which means that measured in the laboratory frame, the proton moves once around the circuit in T ≈ 90 μs. Since γ = 7460, the proper time of the proton per orbit is τ ≈ 12 ns. So a correct statement would be: | Measured in the laboratory frame the orbital time is T ≈ 90 μs. | Measured in the proton frame the orbital time is τ ≈ 12 ns. | | This is called time dilation. The proton moves once around the circuit in the lab frame, while the lab moves once around the proton in the proton frame. But Richard Hachel claims that the proton moves 6933 times around the cycle while it moves once around the cycle! -- Paul https://paulba.no/