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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Pathological self-reference changes the semantics of the same finite string. Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 13:39:41 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <vaqf9d$2qu1$1@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me> <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org> <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me> <da75188ffa7677bd2b6979c8fc6ba82119404306@i2pn2.org> <878qwn0wyz.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <efacnfsQdv-ErlT7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87le0jzc8f.fsf_-_@bsb.me.uk> <vaj1kd$2kvg9$1@dont-email.me> <vamk31$3d76g$1@dont-email.me> <van30n$3f6c0$2@dont-email.me> <vap90d$3t06p$1@dont-email.me> <vaptvg$3vumk$2@dont-email.me> <vaqbo3$22im$2@dont-email.me> <vaqcj8$28ni$3@dont-email.me> <vaqdl9$22il$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e678f999b18028d25fa9559cad82e90c"; logging-data="93121"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/V70bpCOC9DJGOufw3kX1f" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:EWtIsOGRMF5A0Ihdd85ngCzeLF4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vaqdl9$22il$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3294 On 8/29/2024 1:11 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 29.aug.2024 om 19:53 schreef olcott: On 8/29/2024 12:39 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > > Olcott does not even understand what the semantics of > the x86 language is. He thinks that a finite string can > have different behaviours according to the semantics > of the x86 language, depending on whether it is directly > executed, or simulated by different simulators, where the > semantics could be different for each simulator. >> Pathological self-reference DOES CHANGE THE SEMANTICS. >> "This sentence is not true" is neither true nor false >> because it is not a truth bearer. >> >> This sentence is not true: "This sentence is not true" >> The exact same (finite string) sentence applied to a >> copy of itself becomes true because the inner sentence >> is not a truth-bearer. > > You are changing the subject to irrelevant other subjects. I am provided a specific concrete counter-example that correctly refutes your claim that finite strings have the exact same meaning regardless of context. It is incorrect to ignore context. You are incorrect to ignore context. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer