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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 4D Visualisierung Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:47:34 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vaqfo6$2r8p$2@dont-email.me> References: <vantta$3j6c0$1@dont-email.me> <vanuat$3j1oq$5@dont-email.me> <vanuvj$3j1oq$8@dont-email.me> <vao3jl$3k81d$1@dont-email.me> <vao8gb$3l00i$1@dont-email.me> <vaq25v$m85$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="98c6004928f46df0abe90729ccf8af51"; logging-data="93465"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX186Ra3dJ2o7rrlVydxgNY8xe7uZvVVRyyk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YNYhpVrpAPWHZq2fMVu3B07zUxA= In-Reply-To: <vaq25v$m85$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2590 On 8/29/2024 7:56 AM, guido wugi wrote: > Op 29-8-2024 om 00:31 schreef FromTheRafters: >> guido wugi explained : >>> Op 28-8-2024 om 21:49 schreef Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 8/28/2024 12:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>>> On 8/28/2024 12:30 PM, guido wugi wrote: >>>>>> Hallo, >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> Actually, it's impossible to visualize a true tesseract in 3d space? >>>>> >>>> >>>> A question I have is where do I plot a 4d point, say: >>>> >>>> (0, 0, 0, 1) >>>> >>>> in a 3d space? Humm... >>> >>> How do you plot a photo of a 3D scene? >> >> Oh, now you're projecting. :) >> >> Sorry, couldn't help myself. In another group they all think that they >> are psychologists. > > Most "3D" renderings of math objects are done in 2D, whether on paper or > on screen. > As for surfaces and curves, which is what we do, there is no difference > in rendering 3D or 4D ones. The main problem is having a coherent > coordinate projection base (conserving spherical rotation symmetry). > Which I've had to resolve the last couple of weeks :) > I don't think you can truly project a _true_ 4d object into a 3d space. We can get some insights, but the projection does not really represent the 100% true 4d object... It does not capture all of the information? Actually, this kid did an interesting explanation, well at least to me: :^) https://youtu.be/eGguwYPC32I What do you think?