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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Ben Bacarisse fails understand that deciders COMPUTE THE MAPPING FROM INPUTS Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:13:13 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 93 Message-ID: <vaqo99$4h1p$1@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <va24hl$3cvgv$1@dont-email.me> <431deaa157cdae1cae73a1b24268a61cf8ec2c1c@i2pn2.org> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me> <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org> <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me> <da75188ffa7677bd2b6979c8fc6ba82119404306@i2pn2.org> <878qwn0wyz.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <efacnfsQdv-ErlT7nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87le0jzc8f.fsf_-_@bsb.me.uk> <vaj1kd$2kvg9$1@dont-email.me> <vamk31$3d76g$1@dont-email.me> <van30n$3f6c0$2@dont-email.me> <vap90d$3t06p$1@dont-email.me> <vaptvg$3vumk$2@dont-email.me> <vaqbo3$22im$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 23:13:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e678f999b18028d25fa9559cad82e90c"; logging-data="148537"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19mvIy6iDZyo7sbWeZXMzIe" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HK8i1TwdrATJkpKDuao/Q0elerA= In-Reply-To: <vaqbo3$22im$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 5516 On 8/29/2024 12:39 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 29.aug.2024 om 15:44 schreef olcott: >> On 8/29/2024 2:46 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-08-28 11:51:51 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 8/28/2024 2:37 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> This group is for discussions about the theory of computation and >>>>> related >>>>> topics. Discussion about people is off-topic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Try to point to the tiniest lack of clarity in this fully >>>> specified concrete example. >>>> >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>> >>>> HHH computes the mapping from DDD to behavior that never reaches >>>> its "return" statement on the basis of the x86 emulation of DDD >>>> by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language. >>>> >>>> For all the years people said that this simulation is incorrect >>>> never realizing that they were disagreeing with the semantics >>>> of the x86 language. >>>> >>>> Now that I point this out all that I get for "rebuttal" is bluster >>>> and double talk. >>>> >>>> The same thing applies to this more complex example that >>>> is simply over-the-head of most reviewers: >>>> >>>> int DD() >>>> { >>>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>>> if (Halt_Status) >>>> HERE: goto HERE; >>>> return Halt_Status; >>>> } >>> >>> Nice to see that you don't disagree. >>> But you should not use subject lines that are off-topic for the group. >>> >> >> When a specific reviewer makes a specific mistake in >> reviewing my work related to this group I must refer >> to that specific reviewer's mistake to clear my name. >> >> I could generalize it. No one person here besides myself >> sufficiently understands the details of how a simulating >> halt decider computes the mapping from an input finite >> string to the behavior that this finite sting specifies. > > It looks more that you are the only person that does not understand > these details, but who thinks that his dreams are a nice substitute for > facts. > >> >> I specifically referred to Ben because he got everything >> else correctly. Most everyone else cannot even understand >> that correct simulation is defined by HHH emulating DDD >> according to the semantics of the x86 language. > > Olcott does not even understand what the semantics of the x86 language > is. He thinks that a finite string can have different behaviours > according to the semantics of the x86 language, depending on whether it > is directly executed, or simulated by different simulators, where the > semantics could be different for each simulator. > One cannot simply ignore the actual behavior of DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language because this actual behavior is not the behavior that one expects or one would like to have. An actual world class emulator is correctly emulating this. One is not free to disagree without being WRONG. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer