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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 07:44:09 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 415 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vaseqq$gctb$1@dont-email.me> References: <vaoi4q$3ma1s$1@dont-email.me> <vap7r1$3sqo2$1@dont-email.me> <vapt1g$3vtd8$1@dont-email.me> <vaqoou$4lq8$1@dont-email.me> <vart74$dhr3$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="65069"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:srsgh2fi77hjLRWmFocTze9oehA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 869B222986F; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:44:13 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5808122978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:44:11 -0400 (EDT) id 843EB5DC29; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 12:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 422DB5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 12:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83BC35F833 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 12:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/83BC35F833; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 26065DC01A9; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 14:44:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 14:44:12 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vart74$dhr3$1@dont-email.me> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/+qz4DWwVhAn6gq8RKcCdXWOgNjmcX9kY= FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_SBL_A,URI_DOTEDU autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 * 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was * blocked. See * http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block * for more information. * [URIs: berkeley.edu] * 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level * mail domains are different * 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record * 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail * provider * [rokimoto557[at]gmail.com] * 1.0 FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD 'From' gmail.com does not match 'Received' * headers * 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override * is CUSTOM_MED * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in * digit * [rokimoto557[at]gmail.com] * 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL * blocklist * [URIs: web.archive.org] * -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. * 0.0 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and * EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different * 1.0 URI_DOTEDU Has .edu URI * 1.6 FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA Forged mail pretending to be from Mozilla * 1.2 NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED ADSP custom_med hit, and not from a mailing * list smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 26243 On 8/30/2024 2:43 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2024-08-29 21:21:32 +0000, RonO said: > >> On 8/29/2024 8:28 AM, RonO wrote: >>> On 8/29/2024 2:26 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-29 01:16:08 +0000, RonO said: >>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson >>>>> >>>>> Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson >>>>> capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki. There seems to be no >>>>> valid reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had >>>>> emailed the editor that made the edit to see what was going on. I >>>>> guess nothing has come of the request. >>>> >>>> No. I had a back-and-forth discussion with the editor in question, >>>> mainly consisting of me suggesting a wording that he would accept >>>> and refrain from editing it back to what it was. He objected to all >>>> of these, except the last, which he hasn't replied to. I thought I'd >>>> leave it a month and then fix it. >>> >>> If you do not get this guys buy in, can he just remove it again? >>> What were his reasons for removing a perfectly valid quote, and >>> Johnson's admission about the ID scam when Johnson never retracted >>> what he had said. >>> >>> In the previous thread I note other people using the quote including >>> Ken Miller in a public presentation, and I do not recall any blow >>> back from Johnson. >>> >>>>> >>>>> The quote actually brings closure to the entire wiki entry of which >>>>> a major part is about Johnson's participation in the intelligent >>>>> design creationist scam. >>>>> >>>>> There is absolutely no doubt that Phillip Johnson wanted ID taught >>>>> in the public schools. He had made it part of his Wedge strategy. >>>>> It was one of the 5 years goals listed in the Wedge document, but >>>>> 20/20 hindsight indicates that Johnson never fully understood the >>>>> science, and did not understand that the ID perps never had any >>>>> legitimate ID science worth teaching in the public schools. >>>>> >>>>> The Phillip Johnson wiki has the claim that Johnson did not >>>>> understand scientific reasoning "In 1993 the ASA's Perspectives on >>>>> Science and Christian Faith published a review of Darwin on Trial >>>>> by Nancey Murphy, an associate professor of Christian philosophy at >>>>> Fuller Theological Seminary, who described Johnson's arguments as >>>>> "dogmatic and unconvincing", primarily because "he does not >>>>> adequately understand scientific reasoning."" Johnson had been >>>>> convinced by the other ID perps that the ID science existed, and >>>>> could be taught in the public schools. >>>>> >>>>> Johnson got others involved in the ID scam. Most notably then >>>>> Senator Santorum. Johnson supposedly wrote the draft of the >>>>> IDiotic "amendment" to the no child left behind legislation that >>>>> was submitted by Santorum and ended up in the appendix of that >>>>> legislation. Both Santorum and Johnson claimed that the inclusion >>>>> of the "amendment" supported teaching intelligent design in the >>>>> public schools. >>>>> >>>>> By 2002 most of the other ID perps at the Discovery Institute >>>>> likely understood that they had nothing worth teaching as ID >>>>> science in the public schools, so when Ohio hit the fan and the ID >>>>> perps were invited to give their dog and pony show to the Ohio >>>>> State School board the ID perps decided to start running a bait and >>>>> switch scam where they would just use ID as bait, but only give the >>>>> rubes an obfuscation and denial swtich scam that the ID perps would >>>>> tell the creationist rubes had nothing to do with ID. It does not >>>>> look like the ID perps bothered to inform Santorum and Johnson of >>>>> what they planned to do because both Johnson and Santorum came out >>>>> in support of teaching ID in the public schools in Ohio before the >>>>> bait and switch went down. >>>>> >>>>> Johnson put up the Santorum editorial on his ARN blog as the bait >>>>> and switch was going down in Ohio. There is no reason why Johnson >>>>> would hang Santorum, out to dry like that if he knew that the bait >>>>> and switch scam was going to start to go down, and no reason for >>>>> Santorum to have written the opinion piece if he knew that the bait >>>>> and switch was going down. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm >>>>> >>>>> QUOTE: >>>>> "I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express >>>>> them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire >>>>> applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education >>>>> is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in >>>>> the >>>>> classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's >>>>> defense >>>>> of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to >>>>> prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to >>>>> students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence. >>>>> >>>>> Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert >>>>> "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching >>>>> standards. >>>>> END QUOTE: >>>>> >>>>> QUOTE: >>>>> At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No >>>>> Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education >>>>> provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may >>>>> generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum >>>>> should help students to understand the full range of scientific views >>>>> that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include >>>>> intelligent >>>>> design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a >>>>> first-rate science education. Many will be left behind. >>>>> >>>>> Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from >>>>> Pennsylvania. >>>>> >>>>> © 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International >>>>> copyright secured. >>>>> File Date: 3.14.02 >>>>> END QUOTE: >>>>> >>>>> So neither Santorum nor Johnson likely knew of the strategy shift >>>>> for the ID scam. After Ohio 2002 the ID perps only used the teach ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========